Thanks to spoonitnow for his post on why newbies suck.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es-t80178.html

After reading his post and the posts down the thread , my confusion grew.
I understand the point that I suck because I dont consider villains ranges,throughout the flop, turn and river.
For some reason Spoon seems to remember how newbies see the world of poker and he hits the nail on the head time and time again, its a Zen thing.
I was hoping to find out how to pinpoint villians ranges in this thread .

Because I had no idea.

I did what I always do when I read a thread that inspires me, I apply it to the very next hand. I was playing onlne at the time so this was easy.And I want to demonstrate why I cant put people on ranges.

It went something like this.


£0.20/£0.40 6 handed NLH

I have no reads , and I want to eliminate all the factors to focus in on how to put people on ranges. keep it simple for my newbie mind,Spoon might understand.

(I cant convert it cos it was on a site that doesnt have hand histories, and its all from memory.)

Im BTN with Qh Qs

Sb, bb ,1 fold ,2 callers HERO 4xBB. The sb folds.


I get 1 fold ,3 calls..

Im trying to put people on ranges here, where do I start?

I suppose the limpers haven’t got 99+ because they didn’t raise. And I don’t know what they raise with.Perhaps they are slow playing, I just dont know.

The flop produces

Jh 10D 6S

The BB calls 3xBB.

Ive just read spoons post, and its inspired me to think about villains range.

I don’t know what to make of this EP raise.Is he on a set,has he the flop hit his range, i dunno,2 pairs? One pair?

Then to make matters worse everyone limps.

Because im thinking about Spoons post my whole world is distracted, i have no clue why the BB raise from EP and everyone limps.

I limp too. I want to raise, but im worried about better hands. Im convinced im ahead. But Im now lost in this world of everone elses range.

TURN {Jh 10D 6S} 9H

Same thing again, 3xBB and everyone limps, including me. But im still lost. Has everyone at the table read spoons post?
Has my hand gotton worse now? Should I have shoved earlier. Its too late now.

RIVER {Jh 10D 6S 9H} 8C

Everyone checks.
I raise a mediocre 3xBB and everyone folds.

I never got to see what everyone had, I tried to think ranges but nothing popped into my head.ANd no-ne helped, because the all folded.

Its a start at least im trying.But its foggy.