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the "not getting paid unless i raise" comment is something i have noticed lately over 2000 hands (very small sample, i know). but i really noticed it at 6max, as you just cant limp a pp from ep w/o getting raised by the button. so, to grab initiative for post-flop cbet, i may as well be the one doing the raising ( this is one of the bad habits from 6max that kills you in fr, imo)...just took me 2000 hands to figure it out.
ya in full ring, it can get expensive pretty quick raising and cbetting all pp's.
however, would you agree with this strategy in a 6max game?

id identify the key bit of this statement to concern the always c-betting not the always raising.
yes. raising AND cbetting constantly with small-medium pp's can get really expensive really fast.

Quote Originally Posted by mixchange
Cbets

This is an area with PP I am most curious about.

- I don't like cbetting if you miss your set unless it's a HU pot and you really think villain missed,...e.g villain only raises with face cards and no face cards hit. Better players I'm sure make quite a bit via cbets to steal the HU raised pots, this may just be inexperience by me.

Don't cbet when you have little FE. The drier the flop, the better it is to cbet usually.

The problem is that even with 99 and a low flop, sometmes if villain has AK, they frequently will play back at me thinking I have air, and it gets expensive quickly and I don't know if I'm dominated. I prefer not to cbet, so I can keep my investment in pots to solely by in search of sets. Better players than me may be able to also make quite a bit via cbets, but I find a lot of players won't believe your cbet and will re-raise (if they are the raiser) and this gets expensive, or you may misread villain who has an overpair.

It's hard for me to believe that ppl "frequently" (I take that to mean a majority of the time) play back at you with missed overs. Also, you are not cbetting if someone else raised PF and you just called them. It sounds like you are also talking about leading into the PFR which is good to do on flops where you have FE no matter what 2 cards you hold.

Also, if you are in position, villain may cbet first and then your steal attempt is going to have be quite costly to work , probably 3x their bet. If they did hit or have a PP, this is a lot of money to lose.

At lower stakes ppl generally don't lead strongly into the PFR with weak holdings often enough so when they do it you can usually put them on a TPTK or better hand IMO.

If you are ahead w/ cbets, great. If you are behind, time to slow down.

Sample size. Don't just stop doing it cuz you had a bad session.