jager,

that looked like a fun hand, and i dont know many that can get away from 2 pair, especially top two. but i WOULD slow down when you c/r, then have to think about folding when you keep pushing hard into a three-club flop. i dont know w/o playing with you to have any read/image to go by, you may have had me, too.

swigg,

i dont mean to sound like a complete noob, as i have decent experience w/ cbetting, etc. but, sometimes we need some reassurance that we are not "growing stupider...duh" by playing with the donks that tend to give us bad habits. it's like staying sober around a bunch of drunks...you need to stop and look at yourself "from the outside" every so often to make sure you arent becoming "one of them."

my challenge is that i keep falling back into my "comfort zone"...of being a BIG FRIGGIN' NIT!!

thanks again for the help.