Loose Players

What do you think is the best approach to handling loose donkeys. I have heard that calling and hoping to flop a monster- but monsters don't come around that often (at least for me ). I am considering just raising them every time I have anything above a T- Just kidding- but it is frustrating as i always seem to pick the wrong time to fight back.

Don't get me wrong I'd much rather play a donk than a rock but i don't have too much more hair to rip out :P

Originally Posted by checkoutftr

What do you think is the best approach to handling loose donkeys. I have heard that calling and hoping to flop a monster- but monsters don't come around that often (at least for me ). I am considering just raising them every time I have anything above a T- Just kidding- but it is frustrating as i always seem to pick the wrong time to fight back.

Don't get me wrong I'd much rather play a donk than a rock but i don't have too much more hair to rip out :P

1) "calling and hope to flop a monster" is probably some of the worst advice anyone could ever give you, the way you'll win at micro stakes poker is to wait on quality starting hands, not mediocre ones.

2) I'd like some HH's of you vs. this donk please, so me and the other members can have a look over them and see what's going on .

generally speaking,
bet for value (even thinly)
don't bluff them
don't cbet boards you miss (as much)
sit to their left
tighten up OOP
given them rope if they're aggressive - c/c
be patient.

Raise into them only with premium hands.
Bet strong.
Make them pay lots to call.

Get paid.

Originally Posted by ponyboy

Raise into them only with premium hands.

i respectfully disagree. loose players by definition are playing a much wider range so some marginal hands fare well against them. For example I'd often bet for value with TPGK (ex. KJo on a J72r - expecting to get called by QJ, JT, J9, J8, A7, A2.. u get the idea. )

Originally Posted by al yell

Originally Posted by ponyboy

Raise into them only with premium hands.

i respectfully disagree. loose players by definition are playing a much wider range so some marginal hands fare well against them. For example I'd often bet for value with TPGK (ex. KJo on a J72r - expecting to get called by QJ, JT, J9, J8, A7, A2.. u get the idea. )

KJo IS a premium starting hand vs a loose donk!

Originally Posted by d0zer

KJo IS a premium starting hand vs a loose donk!

relatively speaking. KJo's absolute strength is marginal at best.
Maybe not the greatest example.

Originally Posted by al yell

Originally Posted by d0zer

KJo IS a premium starting hand vs a loose donk!

relatively speaking. KJo's absolute strength is marginal at best.
Maybe not the greatest example.

My point was just that against a loose donk who's limping 30%+ of hands, KJo becomes a great hand to isolate him with. I've had bad luck isolating loose donks with hands like T8s, 22-77, ... so I started just limping those behind.

Your point about value betting them with a wider range is absolutely true though.

Originally Posted by d0zer

I've had bad luck isolating loose donks with hands like T8s, 22-77, ... so I started just limping those behind.

well.. those hands play better multi-way anyhow.

Originally Posted by al yell

Originally Posted by ponyboy

Raise into them only with premium hands.

i respectfully disagree. loose players by definition are playing a much wider range so some marginal hands fare well against them. For example I'd often bet for value with TPGK (ex. KJo on a J72r - expecting to get called by QJ, JT, J9, J8, A7, A2.. u get the idea. )

Point taken. I was being far too general. Premium hands vs. a loose player means something different than vs. a tight player.

Originally Posted by ponyboy

Premium hands vs. a loose player means something different than vs. a tight player.

As they say, "Good poker is about playing the player."

flop TPTK, get 3 streets of value

Their postflop is really what you should be looking for. Start adjusting both preflop and postflop due to their postflop tendencies. Sometimes making call downs with A hi is good. Just depends on their range, which obviously is dependent on numerous things. Start hypothetically thinking of postflop tendencies and try to come up with a plan on how to exploit it.

position+thin valuebetting

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