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This table was filled with an average of 40/8/3 players. I messed up not raising PF I know. I bet 4/5ths of the pot on the flop to discourage flush draws. When UTG bets on the turn I am concerned because (IMO) that J was a big part of helping their range and I was in the middle of a chaser and a decent-good hand. The river J didn't concern me as much as it being third club. I was getting 3:1 on the call. So my questions are....
1. Was my flop bet too weak?
2. Did I hold onto my hand too long on the turn?
3. Was 3:1 worth making the river call?

Any other suggestions are appreciated.


Full Tilt Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($1.40)
UTG ($0.91)
Hero (MP) ($3.79)
CO ($1.86)
Button ($0.35)
SB ($3.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.10) 9, 7, A (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.34) J (3 players)
UTG bets $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, CO calls $0.17

River: ($0.85) J (3 players)
UTG bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.69 | Rake: $0.11

Originally Posted by lockpull

This table was filled with an average of 40/8/3 players. I messed up not raising PF I know. I bet 4/5ths of the pot on the flop to discourage flush draws. When UTG bets on the turn I am concerned because (IMO) that J was a big part of helping their range and I was in the middle of a chaser and a decent-good hand. The river J didn't concern me as much as it being third club. I was getting 3:1 on the call. So my questions are....
1. Was my flop bet too weak?
2. Did I hold onto my hand too long on the turn?
3. Was 3:1 worth making the river call?

Any other suggestions are appreciated.


Full Tilt Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($1.40)
UTG ($0.91)
Hero (MP) ($3.79)
CO ($1.86)
Button ($0.35)
SB ($3.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.10) 9, 7, A (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.34) J (3 players)
UTG bets $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, CO calls $0.17

River: ($0.85) J (3 players)
UTG bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.69 | Rake: $0.11

Stop limping.. you shoulda raised that J10 hand you posted as well. Your AK hand became crap in a 523 person pot.

That over limp with the AK makes me very ill.

I know the limp was a big mistake. i am still upset with myself for that. My post was mainly about the rest of the hand. I know the 1st mistake I made but was wondering if there was a second (or more).

Originally Posted by lockpull

I know the limp was a big mistake. i am still upset with myself for that. My post was mainly about the rest of the hand. I know the 1st mistake I made but was wondering if there was a second (or more).

your first mistake allows a bigger range of hands into the pot with the right price

I think you're beat quite often on this river, but you are getting like 3-1 so i don't mind the way the rest of the hand was played.

Think it's okay to look him up with these odds and make a note. There are definitely worse aces still in his range.

i think the turn needs to be raised because:

*you want to push out drawers; if you just call and CO is drawing he has much better odds
*if UTG is betting hands like Jx, Ax (not AJ) may still call and check it to you in position on the river.
*you dont mind an UTG 3bet shove on the turn IMO because of your pre flop play. if he's playing Ax he shouldnt be putting you on AK when u limped pre then effectively donked out on an A high board with several villains.

With the apparant draws i really think you're looking to get it in on the turn with a big 3 bet. if UTG shows 8T then thats a bit stiff but you let him limp then call .08 on the flop... AJ, stiff.

Why were all the early posts ITT berating his pflop play when the OP admitted the mistake? It's just unnecessary.

Flop is fine, and I play turn/river the same I suppose.

Originally Posted by Illfavor

Why were all the early posts ITT berating his pflop play when the OP admitted the mistake? It's just unnecessary.

Flop is fine, and I play turn/river the same I suppose.

because poor preflop play leads to unnecessary difficult decisions that could've otherwise been avoided. a limped 5 way pot plays much differently post flop than a heads up raised pot.

Originally Posted by AFchung

because poor preflop play leads to unnecessary difficult decisions that could've otherwise been avoided. a limped 5 way pot plays much differently post flop than a heads up raised pot.

I'm sure him thinking "The FTR guys got on my about this mistake" is more beneficial than "my opponents range on the river has a lot of hands I beat in it."

But seriously, what is with this forum and wasted posts pointing out the obvious? Repeat posts that reinforce a consensus is one thing. Pointing out a mistake that was pointed out in the original post is something different entirely. He posted detailed questions about the rest of the hand and they were completely ignored in the first three replies.

Thanks for the replies everyone (illfavor especially). I know the PF was not good poker but I was trying to learn more than just that from this hand. Raising AK PF in this situation is an easy thing to fix, the rest of the hand is where I was in the dark to what I should have done. In this case I was going to lose some money no matter what:

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($1.40)
UTG ($0.91)
Hero (MP) ($3.79)
CO ($1.86)
Button ($0.35)
SB ($3.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.10) 9, 7, A (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.34) J (3 players)
UTG bets $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, CO calls $0.17

River: ($0.85) J (3 players)
UTG bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.69 | Rake: $0.11

Results:
UTG had 7, 7 (full house, sevens over Jacks).
Hero didn't show A, K (nothing).
Outcome: