Live game facing shove w/ AA on KKx

Was playing live the weekend 10c/25c at some small bar. Probably was playing for about 7-8 hrs so this guy sits in and plays really weird and shows his cards and shit.

So anyway we're 8 handed and action goes like this

1fold,2limpers,fold,limp,fold,he raises out of the small blind. I 3b standard size, all limpers fold, villain flats and flop is KK7, he turns over KK and shoves???

What's my play BC?

wut

Call, ldo.

If nobody gives me a serious answer I'll quit posting in the BC. That is all.

Call with a flush draw, ftw.

Pretty sure flush loses to quads and we can't make a royal.

fold (based on above post which would indicate we're drawing dead)

Call sometimes. Fold others. L D O

Didn't realize this was a serious question. Fold, and don't even think about leaving that table until you've taken him for every penny, unless he's playing some weird 'Maverick' shit where suddenly turns around and starts pwning you. Then ask him how much he charges for coaching.

If he only charges $25/hr it's dranger so Idk, walk away.

Pot size and effective bet size please.

Originally Posted by JKDS

Pot size and effective bet size please.

Math sucks .

can't you call a hand dead for being turned up with money still behind?

it's live cash you can do whatever the fuck you want

also, bad beat jackpot size/rules/existence vs eff stack size is important.

i'm not trolling with either of my answers btw. jkds obv gave the best answer

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

it's live cash you can do whatever the fuck you want

well not to derail, but i'm pretty sure if you turn your hand faceup before announcing check or bet, then it's assumed that you're folding your hand.

this is to protect against people showing there hand to see what reaction they get from villain before making a decision

Originally Posted by surviva316

can't you call a hand dead for being turned up with money still behind?

Depends on the house rules.

um fold unless pot is really big and ur 3b left him like 1c behind

Originally Posted by thelorax

um fold unless pot is really big and ur 3b left him like 1c behind

Wait, you mean if there's enough in the pot, we can call based on pot odds? But we're like a 2,000;1 dog math can't possibly justify a call since we're behind can it?

FFS, IT'S A BAR! You can only call the hand dead if you can kick the guys ass or have enough back up with you. With a KKx board, I'd guess you could have some backdoor str8 flushdraw (don't know heros cards) but I don't see you having odds to chase so fold. Idk, more info defo. Like, are you packin'?

theoretically, yeah? KK should be winning on this board what like 99.9% of the time vs ur AA. you guys would have had to be lol deep for a large enough pot to make a call ok. what was his raise size frm the blind?

So he shows you quads ... and then shoves?

Why is this even a question?

Originally Posted by tomato paste carnage

Why is this even a question?

More people itt need to be asking themselves this.

When it's so contrived like this it's fairly obvious that you have to think about the situation and say to yourself "what have I missed?" but I assume OP's point is we should be doing this more often (read: like all the time) instead of clicking thread, reading op, ignoring replies, typing "hurr durr my snap decision is x" and closing thread.


(also TPC I'm not going off at you, you just asked a useful question to quote, you know I love you baby, call me xx)

I'd say based on the following statement quit or come up with something worth posting!

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

If nobody gives me a serious answer I'll quit posting in the BC. That is all.

cool story bro

Snap fold unless:

a) You are getting better than 1:999 pot odds to call AND
b) You have a backdoor royal flush draw or AA (backdoor quads draw), which gives you 0.1% equity.

I guess you could just have the balls to reach over and rake in the pot. Then kick the fuckers ass if he whines!

Originally Posted by NightGizmo

Snap fold unless:

a) You are getting better than 1:999 pot odds to call AND
b) You have a backdoor royal flush draw or AA (backdoor quads draw), which gives you 0.1% equity.

There are no possible royal draws.

Originally Posted by kiwiMark

More people itt need to be asking themselves this.

When it's so contrived like this it's fairly obvious that you have to think about the situation and say to yourself "what have I missed?" but I assume OP's point is we should be doing this more often (read: like all the time) instead of clicking thread, reading op, ignoring replies, typing "hurr durr my snap decision is x" and closing thread.


(also TPC I'm not going off at you, you just asked a useful question to quote, you know I love you baby, call me xx)

Really?

If I said we had ThT on Jh9h7h and villain flipped over Js9c what's one very important question almost everyone whose posted in this thread would ask themselves?

The most obvious question to me is, "how many outs do we have?". There's obv outs for villain and we still don't know bet to pot ratio so that's an obv question also. But since this thread is still alive, I'm guessing there's something more obv staring me in the face and about to kick me in the nards.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

There are no possible royal draws.

Ahh, yes, just realized that the hero's hand was in the title, I didn't realize he definitely had AA.

Originally Posted by supahaole

The most obvious question to me is, "how many outs do we have?". There's obv outs for villain and we still don't know bet to pot ratio so that's an obv question also. But since this thread is still alive, I'm guessing there's something more obv staring me in the face and about to kick me in the nards.

The only outs are the backdoor quads draw, which is 2/45*1/44 likely to happen (0.1% equity).

Originally Posted by kiwiMark

(also TPC I'm not going off at you, you just asked a useful question to quote, you know I love you baby, call me xx)

I didnt take it that way at all <3

I'm pretty sure this thread is a direct troll of a certain dumbass who said a dumbass comment about how math in poker doesn't matter at all, or something along those lines.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

I'm pretty sure this thread is a direct troll of a certain dumbass who said a dumbass comment about how math in poker doesn't matter at all, or something along those lines.

Obvious troll is obvious, I mean who plays live 25nl for 8hrs straight

But seriously though I left out huge pieces of information like how much did he raise to, what were effective stack sizes. These are really important pieces of information and yes the math would say this is a call if we were getting the right odds. The only reason villain would turn his hand face up is because he would want us to fold our last 25c chip(our card protector) if we had AA and were getting say like 4000;1 or something.

Hmmm........pointless thread imo!

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

Hmmm........pointless thread imo!

[ ] pointless

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

I'm pretty sure this thread is a direct troll of a certain dumbass who said a dumbass comment about how math in poker doesn't matter at all, or something along those lines.

That would be Barry Greenstein.

Math is Idiotic on High Stakes Poker

Yaawn asked this same question once, drunk, in the IRC.

It's obviously the key to understanding poker.

Originally Posted by PlayToWin

That would be Barry Greenstein.

Math is Idiotic on High Stakes Poker

No actually I'm pretty sure it was someone from the forums, but I'm not sure who? Hrm.

Lemme try this:

B=bb

So assuming villian makes a 3B raise and hero makes a 9B raise and villian calls there is B+B+B+3B+9B+6B+1.4B=22.4B in the pot.

Assuming we have 0.1 % equity and call x the number of bb's villian must bet then

xB/(22.4B + xB) < 0.1

x< 2.5B or $0.625

Villian had to buy in for < 11.5bb's or $2.88 for this to be a call

I prob screwed up the number of bb in the pot so whatever. I also think it should be 2xB in the denomonator to include villians call but I ain't doing it again.

Originally Posted by Sasquach991

Lemme try this:

B=bb

So assuming villian makes a 3B raise and hero makes a 9B raise and villian calls there is B+B+B+3B+9B+6B+1.4B=22.4B in the pot.

Assuming we have 0.1 % equity and call x the number of bb's villian must bet then

xB/(22.4B + xB) < 0.1

x< 2.5B or $0.625

Villian had to buy in for < 11.5bb's or $2.88 cents for this to be a call

I prob screwed up the number of bb in the pot so whatever. I also think it should be 2xB in the denomonator to include villians call but I ain't doing it again.

Or there's just a thread in the digest called "How to Analyze Calling an All-In".

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

No actually I'm pretty sure it was someone from the forums, but I'm not sure who? Hrm.

Yea, but I can't take credit for it. I got it from Barry. Come on, spoon, it's the new catch phrase. All the cool kids are sayin' it!

If he is shortstacked, I fold
If he is deepstacked, I fold
Ill ask if we can run it twice, then I fold on any or no answer
I buy him another beer, make sure he knows where the ATM is and become good friends with him before I take his bankroll.
I make him my facebook friend for giving me 3 buyins over the next 3 hours.
I invite him to my homegame and if I dont have a homegame I set one up and invite him.
In all situations, I laugh out loud and show him my aces as I say to the guy behind me"What a donk, any side bets on how long before he goes broke?"

Originally Posted by paratrooper99

If he is shortstacked, I fold
If he is deepstacked, I fold
Ill ask if we can run it twice, then I fold on any or no answer
I buy him another beer, make sure he knows where the ATM is and become good friends with him before I take his bankroll.
I make him my facebook friend for giving me 3 buyins over the next 3 hours.
I invite him to my homegame and if I dont have a homegame I set one up and invite him.
In all situations, I laugh out loud and show him my aces as I say to the guy behind me"What a donk, any side bets on how long before he goes broke?"

There are plenty of instances where the bold is wrong.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Or there's just a thread in the digest called "How to Analyze Calling an All-In".

Except I was try to figure out his stack in order for this to be a call.

Originally Posted by Sasquach991

Except I was try to figure out his stack in order for this to be a call.

:]

I know, but I just like linking to that thread.