A little effort.

Originally Posted by the Beginner Forum

OH YEA!! You have no idea what it's like down here, these guys are idiots. ABC poker doesn't work.

I want to extend an invitation to a few higher stakes players. I need one hour of your time, I have had several conversations with players over a couple months, on this forum and in other places. They, and I can understand why, always think it's toughest at the stakes they are at. "Oh yea, try playing at $5NL or $10 NL or $25NL and you will see". This isn't a shot at any newer player here, just a thread that would be good to have for arguements sake. It may also serve as a reminder to the higher staked posters here, just how bad the players are there.

Here it is. 1 hr. At $5NL or $10NL. the lower the better. 4 tables, 6, 12 i don't care, 500 or 1K hands. post your results. PT stats, nothing too extensive or obscure. Just the lines with stakes, BB/100, $$ total, VP$P,WSD%, W$SD, and PFR%. Don't take this too lightly, KILL IT!!. It's important to see that it's not the players you play against that suck. It's the player himself. It's still about the numbers. It's still about position, It's still about hand reading and it's still about hand requirements. It's about raising, aggression and isolation.

1 Hour. Do it while you eat if you have to. It's not labour, but i really think it will give something for discussion. And maybe some insite on both sides. I don't think there is a player here that while grinding $5NL and posting here didn't wonder what some of the responders would do if they played.

Originally Posted by the Beginner Forum

OH YEA!! You have no idea what it's like down here, these guys are idiots. ABC poker doesn't work.

QFT

Huh? I didn't say it was tougher...I said it was different.

It's pretty friggin easy actually...and if you can't win down there I'd be shocked...I was saying that it's a little different.

I think you are missing my point and at this point I don't even remember what my point was.

FWIW I sat down at a table Trainer was at yesterday ($10NL) and started just lagging it up. It was interesting to see what I was up against. I do not think by any means that these stakes are easilly ownable. I also think that spending too much time at the lower levels could force some bad habits. This experiment could be quite good for you higher level players because it will teach you to adapt to a lot of different types of players. Im not saying that they will be at the caliber of your opponents now, but the differences in each persons game is remarkable. I mean, at 100nl 6max you have to face the same types of players a lot. At these levels I don't think this is the case.

It's not just you. You are the last one. incase you missed the latest thread. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...987&highlight=

There was many before you, including me 6 months ago. It's been brought up before, it'll be brought up again. Don't get so worked up. I didn't post this for you, I posted this for me, for eveery other NooB that registers, for every guy suffering bad beats by even worse players that is questioning the advice he gets from some $200NL+ full time poker player. We can't just keep going around in circles. We can ask the same questions over and over and answer them the same over and over. I'm trying to change the answer portion of this circle.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

FWIW I sat down at a table Trainer was at yesterday ($10NL) and started just lagging it up. It was interesting to see what I was up against.

HUH!! what??? NH I missed that. I was setting up my Hud and playing a limit game on crypto to clear the fisrt $20 in bonus. I missed it. Who are ya on tilt? How'd I do?

I'm getting really worked up here...trainer...I don't care if you are 6'8" and 280 lbs or whatever...it's time we take this outside

Sorry...that was a joke in case it wasn't obvious.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

FWIW I sat down at a table Trainer was at yesterday ($10NL) and started just lagging it up. It was interesting to see what I was up against.

HUH!! what??? NH I missed that. I was setting up my Hud and playing a limit game on crypto to clear the fisrt $20 in bonus. I missed it. Who are ya on tilt? How'd I do?

Yea, you left like 10min after I sat down. I told you in chat I was at your table. Borat4prez on FTP. Think i played like 40 hands, was down 1/2stack early ended up fairly even. I was just trying to stack you but you didn't play a damn hand. I was prolly running something like 90/30.

The difference in skill between your average NL5/NL10/NL25 player and your average NL600/NL1000/NL2000 player is just enormous. If anybody honestly doubts that a winning player in the latter category couldn't come down and crush any of the games in the former category, I would not only doubt that person's statement but also their judgment and possibly sanity as well.

I started out playing $.05/$.10 NLHE much less then 2 years ago, have grinded my way up to $5/$10 NL where I'm a winning regular, and have played a LOT of hands inbetween so hopefully somebody will at least see me as a source of a little credibility.

I don't think it's the regulars that doubt it. I think it's, as I stated, the NooBs that think it's just so much easier at your stakes where, as it's been said before, "everybodys playing only premium hands". which in of itself will tell you everything you need to know about the questionaire most of the time.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

I don't think it's the regulars that doubt it. I think it's, as I stated, the NooBs that think it's just so much easier at your stakes where, as it's been said before, "everybodys playing only premium hands". which in of itself will tell you everything you need to know about the questionaire most of the time.

heh, I know what you're saying. I would like to see these noobs go up and beat these higher stakes games that are so easy because 'everybody only plays premium hands' (which is obviously laughable in itself). Then again, the fact that they likely don't even have one buyin for these games says something about the comparative skill level between a $10 game and a game that costs 100x as much to play in.

uscheese can register 1000 hands at $1000NL if he likes - I'd be fascinated by how he does. I remember reading an article last year about how experts and noobs often reach the same conclusions in hands for very different reasons?

So - who's going to stake him? I'm pretty sure he couldn't pay for it himself...

Originally Posted by biondino

uscheese can register 1000 hands at $1000NL if he likes - I'd be fascinated by how he does. I remember reading an article last year about how experts and noobs often reach the same conclusions in hands for very different reasons?

So - who's going to stake him? I'm pretty sure he couldn't pay for it himself...

This sounds like a pretty good idea to me but it might be better if you just got a bunch of guys together and put together enough money to get me into the WSOP...I've watched it on espn2 at least 20 times and if I stay at a holiday inn express out in vegas while I'm there I'm pretty sure I can't lose.

Originally Posted by uscheese

Originally Posted by biondino

uscheese can register 1000 hands at $1000NL if he likes - I'd be fascinated by how he does. I remember reading an article last year about how experts and noobs often reach the same conclusions in hands for very different reasons?

So - who's going to stake him? I'm pretty sure he couldn't pay for it himself...

This sounds like a pretty good idea to me but it might be better if you just got a bunch of guys together and put together enough money to get me into the WSOP...I've watched it on espn2 at least 20 times and if I stay at a holiday inn express out in vegas while I'm there I'm pretty sure I can't lose.

LMAO

Originally Posted by Bode-ist

Originally Posted by uscheese

Originally Posted by biondino

uscheese can register 1000 hands at $1000NL if he likes - I'd be fascinated by how he does. I remember reading an article last year about how experts and noobs often reach the same conclusions in hands for very different reasons?

So - who's going to stake him? I'm pretty sure he couldn't pay for it himself...

This sounds like a pretty good idea to me but it might be better if you just got a bunch of guys together and put together enough money to get me into the WSOP...I've watched it on espn2 at least 20 times and if I stay at a holiday inn express out in vegas while I'm there I'm pretty sure I can't lose.

LMAO

I see you had the Joker Tracker running on your computer when you read this

A winning formula is a winning formula, you just have to tweak it and adapt it to your environment. I used to play 10Nl up to 100NL, sometimes in the same day, and had the tendency to put them in two different categories. But looking back, it's all the same, like 2 different flavors of ice cream, still cold and refreshing just doesnt taste quite the same.

That and the higher stakes ice cream probably melts faster so you have to be better at eating icecream - amirite???

Originally Posted by uscheese

Originally Posted by Bode-ist

Originally Posted by uscheese

Originally Posted by biondino

uscheese can register 1000 hands at $1000NL if he likes - I'd be fascinated by how he does. I remember reading an article last year about how experts and noobs often reach the same conclusions in hands for very different reasons?

So - who's going to stake him? I'm pretty sure he couldn't pay for it himself...

This sounds like a pretty good idea to me but it might be better if you just got a bunch of guys together and put together enough money to get me into the WSOP...I've watched it on espn2 at least 20 times and if I stay at a holiday inn express out in vegas while I'm there I'm pretty sure I can't lose.

LMAO

I see you had the Joker Tracker running on your computer when you read this

I'm likey yoor sarkasm.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...073&highlight=

Incase you doubted my reasoning for this original thought. There is already another thread started about this exact same thing again.

Even if one of us did go to the bother of dropping down and doing this, nobody would listen. People don't want proof that the system works, they want an excuse for why it doesn't.

Fair enough. It is possible that we do wast our time on these pointless matters anyway. I was just trying to reason out new ways to answer the same old, same old. Maybe Spenda has it right with his little noob>novice>expert, circle of life. maybe it's just our turn to answer the questions. Not wat so much effort on something that becomes self evident in a not so near future for some, others just drift away.