Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Quote Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
Quote Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
3 factors should play in if you c-bet

1)hand strength

2)flop texture

3)read on opponents

Are you telling us that you only go by 1) and never check raise the flop against 2 opponents OOP? That is beyond exploitable. It's just poor post flop play.

Edit: there is also a fourth factor. What is your own table image, how active have you been lately.
how often do you c/r vs. 2 opponents? i believe most of the time check-raising sucks. and as lukie pointed out there should be more than 3-4 things governing your cbets.
lol
First you say that without a hand you NEVER c-bet into more than one opponent OOP and NEVER have a hand when you check into two opponents OOP and now you remind me that there should be more factors governing your c-bets.

I don't think you are stupid so you should get the gist of my first post.

Yes, check raising is a good move in many situations perhaps you should try and figure out when.
i haven't been defending my play and i'm not defending it now. i gave one of my exploitable habits and got attacked. how often do you check-raise btw?
Alright sorry if you feel attacked, that was not my intention from the beginning.

However there are situations where its clear blunder not to c-bet into two opponents OOP without a hand. I'll give one example.
You have two early position limpers everyone folds to you in the big blind, you have KQs and raise, early pos limpers call. Flop comes Axx. Correct move here is to c-bet around 1/2-2/3 pot , its very likely that they both have a tendency to limp pocket pairs early pos like many people do and if they dont have an ace or better then 1/2 pot bet should do the trick. If it gets called you are done with the hand so it only needs to take the pot down a third of the time which I am convinced it does.

There are numerous situations i like to check raise. One of them is when I am in the blinds with any 2 cards with a flop of say 559 with a habitual bluffer/better in last position - a perfect situation for a check raise bluff.