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Leak in my game? (mid/low PP's and suited Aces)

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    Default Leak in my game? (mid/low PP's and suited Aces)

    I'm just wondering how you guys play suited Aces and mid/low pps. I feel like i might be losing money on them.

    Here are my questions to those who do limp them:

    1. Can you call a medium sized raise (2-3x BB) when you haven't limped yet?
    2. Once you've limped, can you call a 3-4x sized raise
    3. Is it much better to limp and fold to any raise more than just another BB?
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    PPs I play for sets as long as the PFR has a decent sized stack so I get my implied odds. (Fairly High PPs 99-JJ sometimes as low as 77) ill push over the top of a short stack lose raiser. Ill call a reasonable sized raise with them. Alot of the time a bigger raise means a stronger hand from someone who wont let go of it postflop.

    Suited aces ill fold except in late position where ill limp into a pot with a few callers. I wont call raises with them and I wont play them out of position.

    The difference is, when you hit with a PP that IS your hand and you can concentrate on extracting value. When you hit with A3s, you have either a weak A (that you probably need to fold) or a flush draw that you probably arent going to get odds to chase. Add to that the fact that a third flush card falling is going to slow even a maniac down and there isnt much point playing it IMO.
    In a big multiway limped (or minraised) pot you are likely to have odds to draw to the flush, and hopefully someone will be in there with 67s to pay you off too.
    gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

    bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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    see this post right below
    gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

    bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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    These hands are totally different.

    I'm not playing suited aces, personally. I play big aces, suited or not. I might limp Axs if there's a few limps in front and I don't expect a raise behind.

    Pocket pairs are another story. You'll find several guidelines for them...most common is calling raises up to 1/10th of yours or opponents stack and then stacking them if you hit your set.

    I generally feel like 1/10th of the stack is too big of a raise to call, you run into unimproved AK too often, or someone who can lay a big pair, or KK with an ace out. You can often see it for 4xBB, which gives you more like 1/20th of the stack. Easier to be profitable here.

    Then I play no set no bet. Well, I used to. I'm actually expanding that quite a bit, but my BB/100 is suffering for it. For a beginner, I'd say no set no bet. You're not going to pick off cbets well enough to profit.
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    It depends on stakes.

    At the stakes I play (50nl and 25nl), I see about 95 percent of flops with ANY pocket pair. My PT stats are positive for all my pairs, so I don't think this is a leak.

    As far as weak aces go, if I am at a 50nl table or a particularly tight 25nl table, I am completely comfortable raising them in mid to late position. I never limp a weak ace though, unless its suited and has multiway value. I either raise them or fold them. They are valuable though. Remember, an ace-high is a 60/40 favorite over any other unpaired hand w/o an ace. There will be alot of times when you are heads up and you both miss and check it down. Your ace-high will take the pot and this adds up.

    I think I generally break even moneywise on my play with weak aces, BUT they subtly increase my vpip so my big hands get more action to compensate for it, I think.
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    I never play weak offsuit aces at all. Ill see a very cheap flop with a suited A and im looking for a flush or a flush draw on the flop. Weak offsuit Ace is an autofold.
    gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

    bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

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