Leak? Common Scenario

So this is a common scenario, I find myself on both ends of it. Do you guys see a PFR, CBet flop, check turn, 1/2 pot river a lot? usually it ends up being 2 missed overs vs a pocket pair. Like I said i'm on both ends of this a lot, winning and losing. Many times this is heads up or 3way action, but goes down to 2way by the turn.

Any advice on how to be on the winning side of this scenario or good ideas about what types of HUD stats would show this tendancy?

A check on the turn in this scenerio is usually a sign of weakness. Sorry, I don't use HUD. How much is Poker Tracker going for these days? I should get myself that as well come to think of it...

i definitly see this alot. PFR in MP, i call with something like 55-88 in the CO or button(assuming villain has 15x behind). flop comes something like Q93 rainbow. villain bets out 1/2 pot. i usually float here. if turn is a blank and villain checks, im almost always betting 2/3 to full pot here. the check behind on the turn almost always screams a whiffed hand where he isnt confidant enought to fire the second barrell.

i also get into this scenario where i am the PF raiser with something like AK. when im the raiser and someone floats on me putting me on a missed hand, i fire alot of 2nd barrels if the situaiton is right. especially at 25nl where i play, too many people call weak flop bets only to give up on the turn. you do have to be careful not to do this against a callin station, because he could have paired a duece and call the 2nd bet.

as for PT stats to look for, i have no clue.

this is one of the reasons why i feel c-betting is a leak becuase players dont think anymore why they are doing it. They just do.

Also, players dont know how to trap check behind or check raise or two barrell Ax or a mid pp.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Also, players dont know how to trap check behind or check raise or two barrell Ax or a mid pp.

ive been check-raising against a PF raiser more lately with a non scare turn card. like if i have a mid PP or even if i hit middle pair with a good kicker. not something to do every time, but it has been winning me alot of small-medium size pots recently.

Originally Posted by Bode-ist

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Also, players dont know how to trap check behind or check raise or two barrell Ax or a mid pp.

ive been check-raising against a PF raiser more lately with a non scare turn card. like if i have a mid PP or even if i hit middle pair with a good kicker. not something to do every time, but it has been winning me alot of small-medium size pots recently.

yes. I feel it also does wonders for your table image.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Sorry, I don't use HUD. How much is Poker Tracker going for these days? I should get myself that as well come to think of it...

Yeah PT + HUD is huge. Im shocked u dont already have it. I think its about 55$, last I heard he was having neteller issues, may be resolved.

Originally Posted by TerryToma

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Sorry, I don't use HUD. How much is Poker Tracker going for these days? I should get myself that as well come to think of it...

Yeah PT + HUD is huge. Im shocked u dont already have it. I think its about 55$, last I heard he was having neteller issues, may be resolved.

i have never used HUD or any other stats device except PT when playing nl, i only use gametime for lhe on certain sites at certain stakes. (and yeah, i 6 table 6max and 12table fr)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=3#Post6611535

That is a thread about what I think is the line you talked about.

Well,

I tried not to do this at all today, unless I had opponent on an obvious missed draw. Heres the closest hand I got on my opponent to this line. My c/r is pretty weak on flop, but I knew I had him the whole way..

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $22.60
UTG+1: $29.50
UTG+2: $148.45
MP1: $31.25
MP2: $23.00
MP3: $49.00
CO: $50.00
Button: $47.35
SB: $16.75
TerryToma: $50.00

Pre-flop: (10 players) TerryToma is BB with T K
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises to $1.5, 5 folds, TerryToma calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: Q 2 K ($6.25, 4 players)
TerryToma checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets $2, TerryToma raises to $5, 2 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: 9 ($16.25, 2 players)
TerryToma checks, MP1 checks.

River: 7 ($16.25, 2 players)
TerryToma checks, MP1 bets $10, TerryToma calls.

Results:
Final pot: $36.25
MP1 shows AC JH
TerryToma shows 10D KD