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    Default KT flop 2pairs

    its totally my fault cause i have no reads on him, main reason playing 8 tables. so i have no ideea what he calls pre flop. my mistake

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    saw flop

    MP1 ($7.95)
    MP2 ($3.93)
    CO ($3.01)
    Hero (Button) ($5)
    SB ($5.97)
    BB ($5.05)
    UTG ($1.89)
    UTG+1 ($12.50)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, K
    4 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.18, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.50) 10, J, K (2 players)
    SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, SB reraises AI

    i reraise him here to get value from his KQ,JT,QJ,9T, AK, QT,QQ.... when he 3bet AI i am sure i am behind and he only does it sets/AQ/Q9... dont have enough equity to call vs a range of sets and straights

    how and why would you play this?
    Last edited by Razvan729; 03-08-2011 at 05:21 AM.
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    Last edited by EasyPoker; 03-08-2011 at 05:22 AM.
    [20:19] <Zill4> god
    [20:19] <Zill4> u guys
    [20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
    [20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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    Stove a range and see what your equity is like, then people can crtique it; not sure how many times this needs to be explained as the optimal way to learn from HHs. Do you at least have a hud and therefore some stats? If you don't, then get one now.
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    dont have a HUD, trial over on PT3, i dont have enough money to buy it for now.

    my question is not calling or not.... i am asking if he does shove here JT,KQ,QJ,QT,AK besides sets and straight... i know how to anallyze an AI and its a call if he shoves TP+OESD,PAIR+OESD, JT, i am asking about his shoving range.... about that i am unsure.
    so the talk is about what can he shove here besides the nuts ot sets.
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    Razvan PM me about Holdem Manager...also all ranges are speculative but become more accurate based on players' tendencies an quite possibly the stake you're playing at. Obviously because you have no reads here, it's more difficult to narrow. In this situation, I always tend to err on the side of caution and give unknowns the benefit of the doubt by putting them on a stronger range than I would if I knew more about them.
    Last edited by EasyPoker; 03-08-2011 at 06:59 AM.
    [20:19] <Zill4> god
    [20:19] <Zill4> u guys
    [20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
    [20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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    Get a HUD asap, seriously. Have a stab at a range, you don't get better by not trying. Here's a hint: you're going to have to estimate very roughly based on any information you can gather and go with that.
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    Even with out any reads or stats there's still one bit of information to be gathered here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    Even with out any reads or stats there's still one bit of information to be gathered here.
    Bet sizing and preflop/flop actions...right?
    [20:19] <Zill4> god
    [20:19] <Zill4> u guys
    [20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
    [20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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    Yeah his flop line tells us a good bit about which assumptions we can make with some confidence here.
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    ok, so preflop he is just calling in SB, he bought full 100bb.
    already stated is my mistake that i have no reads on what he plays because i wasnt paying attention. this is my fault and i did drop just to 6 tables to watch tables better and get reads.

    OOP betting 0,1 in 0,5 pot looks like a week line.
    i reraise him to get value from his drawing hands.

    when he 3bets AI i have to call my remaining 4,25 for a pot of 5.4 so my pot odds are 4.25/(4.25+5.4)= 44%.... i need at least 44% equity vs his shoving range to call.

    thats a lot of equity... its obviuos he would shove JJ,TT,AQ. for me to call with profit, i also need him to shove also at least KQ,JT.

    vs this range AQs,AQo,JJ,TT,KQs,KQo,JTs,JTo i have 46% equity so its a call....question is, does villain always shove here TP+OESD and bottom 2pairs?
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    What makes you think he would not raise JJ,TT and AQ preflop? And would he really just shove a made straight on the flop?
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    like i said.... i dont know the guy... so what and doesnt 3bet pre is unknown to me. if i knew him and the way he plays, this hand wasnt posted here.
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    Let me rephrase this: when you don't know your opponents, do you always assume by default that they would not raise JJ,TT and AQ preflop and that they would just shove a made straight on the flop?
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    yes... i assume they dont 3bet JJ,TT and AQ... and yes i assume he would shove a straight thinking he will be called by sets and OESD.
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    ah sorry my bad, I misread and thought you opponent was CO, not SB.

    Still not sure he would shove a straight here at the risk of missing value from pair / 2 pairs / draw type of hand.
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