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 Originally Posted by daviddem
Originally Posted by Muzzard
Originally Posted by dranger7070
Originally Posted by MuddyWicket
classic example of why putting people on a simple range and plugging it into some poker calculater is a waste of time.
working on a value range would be a better idea and applying randomn bs percentage makes more sense. or use Rentons idea.
Explain first sentence please.
I think he's saying we came up with some bullshit range and put it in stove and now he thinks he's priced in with second pair/good kicker with gutshot on this board to a flop raise.
Like we don't need to stove this, just fold tot he raise, better still, check flop.
Maybe the ranges we came up with are bullshit, but screaming that they are without contributing your own analysis is what is truly useless here.
If it's a crap move to call a small raise on this flop, there has to be a reason behind it, so state it: what ranges and other reasons do you see there that preclude to call?
My analysis is this:
1) Preflop is fine
2) Don't bet the flop, its going to be hard for him to call with worse than KQ, ie KJ/K9 whatever might call one street but is going to fold turn a decent % unless heis a moron.
3)On this board we basically can't value bet KQ 3 times unless we straight up. We can't be 100% that trip K's will be good as he may already have a straight or KT or AK that will have a boat anyway. We defo can't say that a Q is an out as obv straight.
4) We could check this flop to get some value/thin value whatever from worse on turn/river or bink turn straight/trips/two pair play it from there
5) The guy is a preflop moron yes, but he is probably very passive, so his limp/calling range that raises this flop is >>>>>>>>>KQ, we don't have great implied odds as basically we can only really rely 100% on the straight outs and obv its going to be hard for him to call 2 extra streets without it also.
6) Check flop
7) Fold to c/raise on flop
Did I spend enough typing time for you to now accept my 'analysis'?
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