KQ, AJ, and TT are big losers for me (full ring 25 NL)

According to PT those hands are big losers for me, however I only have like 6,000 hands. If these stats are true my resolve is this.
- fold KQ and AJ UTG and UTG +1 (Stats also show I lose a lot UTG with these hands.)
- play TT only for set value in EP and MP, raise in LP.

Fine?

6max or fr?

fr are all limps for me i think, or possibly even open fold. Of course if its a tight table then id prob raise hoping to steal or c-bet the flop. Really dependant on table structure
One problem i think these hands hold isnt necessarily domination but that when you hit tp with AJ or KQ you get called down a lot and its diffciult to find the difference on later streets between opponents putting you on missed overs or actually having a hand. Perhaps we overplay them a bit?
6max all are a raise without question in any position apart from sb perhaps
They certainly shudnt be losers imo

6-MAX raise k-q any position??

Originally Posted by dwags222

6-MAX raise k-q any position??

u limp KQo in 6max??!?!?

Originally Posted by dwags222

6-MAX raise k-q any position??

yeah..

They're all winners for me over 20K hands. I think your sample size is too small.

6max, database 200k

KQo/KQs
+0.5bbs won per time dealt

AJo/AJs
+0.35bbs won pre time dealt.

If this was KJo/KJs then yeah, that hand sucks oop but KQ/AJ?
Fr with these hands is still a great/classic strategy discussion. 6max id argue hardly so, its raising hand imo.

at a six max these are all playable hands from any position (in most situation) Try raising the pot preflop to reduce the callers, these hands lose value multiway. I would fold aj and kq if there was a ep raise and a call, simply because i dont feel comfortable playing top pair 3 handed from the ep. I would probably reraise the ten and bet big on the flop (if no ace) but be prepared to lay it down if im played back at. I think your problem that you see flops with too many other players.

This is for six max, at a FR i dont know how to play cash games...In a tourny id fold from the ep and open with all three...i might raise ep with the tens tho, depends on stacks

I will raise k-q +1 to the button when folded to me most of the time...becoming more likely as i move toward the button, and limp w/ it the rest of the time. i would never raise k-q in the blinds unless the game was playing pretty tight or i had a tight image and or everyone was weak.
i guess if i had recently showed down a big hand w/ a big pot i might raise also.

i agree with your blind play but why would you limp with kq from utg...you see a 59k flop with 6 callers then you have no idea where you stand. I say this is an easy raise/fold situation

lol no, I Play full ring.[/b]

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

lol no full ring.

if its full ring then we'll be here all day.
Its a classic.
On a tight table i will open UTg with KQ/AJ (esp sooted :P) whereas at a loose table ill probably open fold AJ/KQo utg but ill limp with the sooted verison in hope that the table is loose passive and ill catch a flop and a fish with a worse hand

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

whereas at a loose table ill probably open fold AJ/KQo utg but ill limp with the sooted verison in hope that the table is loose passive and ill catch a flop and a fish with a worse hand

to complete the thought...

"but I'll fold to any respectable raise, given the caveat that the raiser is respectable."

Given that completion (which is implied but unstated), I fully agree with your FR AJ/KQ treatment at both loose and tight tables.

lol no full ring.

i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

According to PT those hands are big losers for me, however I only have like 6,000 hands. If these stats are true my resolve is this.
- fold KQ and AJ UTG and UTG +1 (Stats also show I lose a lot UTG with these hands.)
- play TT only for set value in EP and MP, raise in LP.

Fine?

This is way too weak IMO. In a 6-max game, TT should be an auto-raise in an unraised pot. No way you should only be playing it just for set value. I also open raise KQ/AJ, but sometimes if I'm UTG or something and there's a tough player on the button, I'll fold a hand like KQo and not think twice about it.

Post-flop, these hands can be tough to play out of position, but that's just the nature of the game.

Originally Posted by Lukie

lol no full ring.

i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.

I read it as

lol no. Full ring.

meaning the exact opposite of what you said.

=)

At full ring I toss AJo in the first two positions and I raise AJs. Same with KQ/KQs. In other positions raise them like anything else. They are both very playable hands. KQ is one of my favorite hands because since your raise reps Ax you actually have three cards that can bail you out on the flop.


TT is a raise in all positions and a bet / bet / bet/ fold to any raise type of hand a lot of the time. Just be prepared to let it go in overpair v. overpair confrontations.

um, if you win one big pot with any of these hands, are they still losers?

I think you're jumping the gun on this one over just 6k hands.

Originally Posted by Pelion

Originally Posted by Lukie

lol no full ring.

i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.

I read it as

lol no. Full ring.

meaning the exact opposite of what you said.

=)

lol, no full ring

lol no, full ring

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by Pelion

Originally Posted by Lukie

lol no full ring.

i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.

I read it as

lol no. Full ring.

meaning the exact opposite of what you said.

=)

lol, no full ring

lol no, full ring

I play full ring.

I'm going to assume your exclusively an asshole.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by Pelion

Originally Posted by Lukie

lol no full ring.

i'm going to assume this means that you play exclusively 6-max.

I read it as

lol no. Full ring.

meaning the exact opposite of what you said.

=)

lol, no full ring

lol no, full ring

I play full ring.

I'm going to assume your exclusively an asshole.

um, ok. I was honestly confused by the way you worded it and I was trying to make a funny spin off on it.

Yeah it's fine. Maybe i'll edit the topic so it's clearer.

Alright, sounds good.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I'm going to assume your exclusively an asshole.

huh?

Originally Posted by jackvance

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I'm going to assume your exclusively an asshole.

huh?

I think my "lol, no full ring; lol no, full ring" comment was a bit over the top.

I usually always raise TT in all unraised pots, and I'll fold stuff like KQo/AJo from EP, and usually raise them from MP on. That's a rough guideline but approximates how I'd usually play.