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    Default KK OOP facing Flop 3bet

    Villain is 18/12, 15%3bet over 135 hands. My image is solid, I've been fairly tight except that on a couple other tables he's sitting to my immediate left and I've stolen his BB over half a dozen times without contest, except once, where he defended but folded to my dbl barrel.

    - What kind of range should I be putting him on here?
    - What options should I consider?

    #13 No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed)

    CO ($42.44)
    Button ($33.71)
    SB ($26.77)
    BB ($24.90)
    Hero (UTG) ($36.42)
    MP ($14.58)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
    Hero bets $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, Button calls $0.85, 2 folds

    Flop: ($2.90) 3, 6, 4 (3 players)
    Hero bets $2.17, 1 fold, Button raises $8, Hero ?

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    I'm sure someone who actually plays those stakes will come along shortly but until they do i will say that at my lower stakes this is usually a set+ or a str8 draw. Although you will sometimes see a maniac that thinks top pair on that board is the nuts. It would help if we knew how often button cold calls pf raises.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by littleogre
    It would help if we knew how often button cold calls pf raises.
    4% but tbh I have no idea how to interpret that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by al yell
    Quote Originally Posted by littleogre
    It would help if we knew how often button cold calls pf raises.
    4% but tbh I have no idea how to interpret that.
    I'll have a go - might get it wrong completely so beware...

    4% cold call pfr seems to me like he set-mines, maybe just with the medium to better pockets. I wouldn't put many more hands in a cold call range of 4%. Therefor, given the board and the line I think you're either beat by a set, or well ahead of someone protecting with 77-99, maybe TT.

    I fold this, but that might be wrong depending on villain...
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    Sample is small, but his high 3bet takes away a lot of possible weak overpairs and you´re repping so strong that he prob stays in line most of the time.

    That being said it´s closer than I thought vs {33,44,55,66,65s,54s,65o,54o,TT,99} counting half the combos of 65o,54o and two combos of TT, 99 each it´s a flip. I call and re-eval turn
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    I don't think villain is reraising with 99-TT (though, OP, you would probaly know best). That being said, I gave villain a range of {66-33,75s,65s,54s} and we have 31.7% equity. By adding all 12 combos of two overpairs (let's say TT-99) we are even. Take that for what it's worth, but I really don't think he's reraising these overpairs much. I fold.

    P.S. Not to nitpick, but this isn't a flop 3bet.
    That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690
    P.S. Not to nitpick, but this isn't a flop 3bet.
    Oh, what is it then, a raise? If I came over top of him would that be considered a 3bet?

    -- -- --

    Here's what I've gotten out of this:

    Board: 3c 6s 4h

    65.565% { KcKs }
    34.435% { TT-66, 44-33 }


    I have good equity, however, things to consider:
    - I'm UTG cbetting into the field (i.e. strong range)
    - Villain is likely a bit frustrated with me
    - He should not expect me to fold an overpair
    - His bet size indicates he's willing to stack off, imo

    Therefore I almost always fold.
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    If he's raising 77-TT, then he's spewing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by al yell
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690
    P.S. Not to nitpick, but this isn't a flop 3bet.
    Oh, what is it then, a raise? If I came over top of him would that be considered a 3bet?
    Yes, if you come over the top it'd be a 3 bet.

    I'd usually flat this and re-eval turn. How aggro is he postflop? If he's been raising a lot (like with draws or tpgk etc), I think I'd click it back and get it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdDecked
    If he's been raising a lot (like with draws or tpgk etc), I think I'd click it back and get it in.
    This hadn't been the case from what I'd observed.

    Some additional stats on Villain:
    AF 3.5
    WWSF 48%
    WTS 13%
    W$SD 67%
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    The raise size looks so big, it seems odd for him to want raise this big on such a dry flop with a set. I think that this is going to be a pair + gutshot type hand a lot and possibly 2 pair. I probably get it in, but I'd like to know how often he raises flop cbets and how aggressive is he on the flop in general.
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    Seriously, you guys need to stop focusing on stats and start focusing on reads and gameplay...

    btw, 3 bet is exactly what it sounds like:

    1bet
    2bet (raise)
    3bet (reraise)

    The reason you're confused is because pre-flop the blinds are considered a bet, so:

    1bet (blinds)
    2bet (raise)
    3bet (reraise)
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    i would give credit for a big hand nearly always here (unless guys a nut)

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