KK how to proceed

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

Villain is pretty solid running 18/10 over 364 hands. Pretty much an ABC player for what I have seen. Filimon is pretty tight as well 15/10 other than that not much really sticks out.


Pre-flop I put both on similar ranges like {22+,A6s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo+,KQo}

I think your preflop range (15.5%) is too wide, especially given your reads, for an 15/10 opening UTG.
Villain's range is going to be wider than UTG. Villain is unlikely to pop up with QQ+. I like the way you played this. I agree with shove.

Shove requires 30% (3.35/10.85)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.776% 42.80% 00.98% 25847 589.50 { TT+, 66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, QhTh, JTs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 56.224% 55.25% 00.98% 33364 589.50 { KcKs }

Originally Posted by Openside

Shove requires 30% (3.35/10.85)

are you sure?

edit: a better question - shoving requires 30% for what?

Originally Posted by rpm

are you sure?

edit: a better question - shoving requires 30% for what?

30% to be 0 EV

Originally Posted by Openside

30% to be 0 EV

if you are doing it for pure value then you do not need to worry about anything other than having > 50% equity.....


if it was you calling a bet on the river or calling a shove then your equity would need to be > bet/ (Bet + pot)

Originally Posted by Openside

I think your preflop range (15.5%) is too wide, especially given your reads, for an 15/10 opening UTG.
Villain's range is going to be wider than UTG. Villain is unlikely to pop up with QQ+. I like the way you played this. I agree with shove.

Shove requires 30% (3.35/10.85)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.776% 42.80% 00.98% 25847 589.50 { TT+, 66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, QhJh, QhTh, JTs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 56.224% 55.25% 00.98% 33364 589.50 { KcKs }

@bold, it sooooo doesn't work like that.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

@bold, it sooooo doesn't work like that.

Fair enough. Can you explain how it does work? I thought we treated shoving as if we were calling the shove. If we check here and villain shoves we have 30% against the stated range, no?

Is it shoving requires 30% plus FE?