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 Originally Posted by bhaley66
how about a blue line @300 and a red line @100? Anything positive is better than negative... Why would you not want to critique your weaknesses?
Because it's shortsighted and the dynamics that create those lines are very complicated and it's not a simple matter of "fixing" the red line and the blue line will just stay put.
If you view Episode 8 of "The Haj School" video from Deuces Cracked, @ 21:34 WiltOnTilt talks about the red line phenomenon and concludes @ 34:37 devoting a full 13 minutes to the topic. A cliff's notes version of his points:
- Most people assume it's for bluffing and they should bluff more and steal more pots, but there are many other reasons.
- Your red line COULD be "good" because you're a calling station.
- You could be FOLDING too much and your red line could be "bad".
- You could be playing correctly against certain opponents and your red line could be "bad" even though you were making the correct plays.
- The thinner you value bet, the "better" your red line might be.
- The more you take pot control lines the more you "hurt" your red line.
- "There are lots of reasons why your red line might be negative."
"Get out of the frame of mind that you just need to steal more pots to make it better."
"Try to avoid fixing any stat ... [try to avoid] fixing your red line."
"Don't play your hand in a way that will make your red line pretty to look at."
"Make the optimal play for each table condition."
- He likes to use an example with his students where a while back when he first played, he once tried to "fix" his "went to showdown" percentage and he "succeeded" but his winnings suffered.
Obviously if you can make a sweeping adjustment to your game so that you increase both blue and red lines, then go for it. I just think that the MAIN line is the green one and the red line receives much more attention than it should and the blue line is equally important and neither are more important than the green. And nothing can be fixed from looking at graphs. You need hand histories, detailed analysis, self reflection, coaching, and many other things. Granted, graphs are interesting to post and look at, but I think we should avoid the mindset that our red line needs to look and feel a certain way and trying to "fix" it accordingly.
Originally Posted by Sasquach991
So does a negative sloping red line indicate a leak/weakness?
By itself, no. But a player with a leak/weakness could have a bad red line for that reason. Also, a player could have a "good" red line and also have leaks that could be fixed that give them a "worse" red line and better green line. It's very player dependent and complicated.
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