JJ UTG facing flush board

[gotigers1234]

Villain is unknown had with no reads only seen him about 7 or 8 hands

Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players -
SB: $3.84
BB: $3.06
Hero (UTG): $4.24
UTG+1: $2.09
MP: $13.36
CO: $7.45
BTN: $2.73

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $0.12??, 1 fold, MP calls $0.12, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.12, 1 fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.50) 6 9 7 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.32??, MP folds, BTN calls $0.32, BB folds

Turn: ($1.14) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50??

River: ($2.14) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.96, Hero??

Should I raise this more pre?? Is turn a fold? I am pretty sure I should fold this river B/c what would he have that we beat that would bet out like this on the river??

Thanks guys

[d0zer]

flop bigger, b/f turn, c/f river.

[Chusko]

I agree b/f turn, but I think we can fire half-pot on most rivers if he flats the turn. We're talking about a shortstacker at $4NL. They call with so much worse. I agree to c/f this particular river though.

[d0zer]

ya I meant this river, agree with bet most rivers for value.

[Chusko]

Figured as much... Just added more for OP's sake.

[supa]

In general I open pre with 4x ep, 3.5x mp, 3x lp and 2.5x otb + 1 for every limper.

Expanding on d0zer and Chucksos comments about this river, this is a good hand to think about relative hand strength. We've got an overpair to the board which makes us happy but think about what we beat. Srsly, look at the board and figure out what hands we actually beat.

Also don't be so afraid every time a possible flush completes. He's got a range of hands he's playing and only a small part of that range is on a draw.

[MrE]

One thing I notice from all your posts is you seem to open PF with bet sizes that represent your hand strength. It's not as big of an issue at the micros, but it is a tell.

When opening you should bet pretty much the same size, regardless of your hand. The less info you give your opponents, the better. Some say you can vary your open bet size based on position, but not on hand strength.

[gotigers1234]

One thing I notice from all your posts is you seem to open PF with bet sizes that represent your hand strength. It's not as big of an issue at the micros, but it is a tell.

When opening you should bet pretty much the same size, regardless of your hand. The less info you give your opponents, the better. Some say you can vary your open bet size based on position, but not on hand strength.

Thanks for the insight... are you doing this with premium hands too? like AA or KK?

[gotigers1234]

In general I open pre with 4x ep, 3.5x mp, 3x lp and 2.5x otb + 1 for every limper.

Expanding on d0zer and Chucksos comments about this river, this is a good hand to think about relative hand strength. We've got an overpair to the board which makes us happy but think about what we beat. Srsly, look at the board and figure out what hands we actually beat.

Also don't be so afraid every time a possible flush completes. He's got a range of hands he's playing and only a small part of that range is on a draw.

Regardless of your hand you open the same each time? what about with AA?

[supa]

Regardless of your hand you open the same each time? what about with AA?

I probably adhere to this rule more than I should but yeah, I mostly open the same each time. If villains are at all aware and you open 4x 10 times with PPs and Ax or whatever and then you open 8x with AA you're gonna get noticed. Keeping your bets consistent keeps you from telegraphing your hand strength.

[daven]

flop bigger, b/f turn, c/f river.

^ enough said

[supa]

^ enough said

Why?

[daven]

Why?

i saw the first response and thought 'well, he's pretty much addressed the opening post'. Obviously no harm in further discussion, i simply didn't think i had anything to add to d0zer's post, but wanted to reiterate his advice.

I have now skimmed the rest of the thread, and there is huge value lurking in subsequent posts, so 'enough said' probably wasn't the best post i've ever made

[MrE]

Thanks for the insight... are you doing this with premium hands too? like AA or KK?

99% of the time...Yes!
Other things may change opening bet size, like a really tight or really loose table, or position, like I said. But you should not be regularly opening with bet sizes based on your pocket cards.

[Icanhastreebet]

Should vary bet size pre depending on opponents behind you, hand strength, and position. Too lazy to elaborate why. Open a new thread if you want a real discussion on optimal bet size in different situations.

[rpm]

^ 100% agree. you are leaving money on the table if you aren't being dynamic in your opening ranges and sizes based on the table conditions. especially at the micros where no-one can spot imbalances in your ranges. or even figure out what your range is for that matter.

edit: ok the regs will notice if you always use hand-specific sizings. but the fish never will. and there are tonnes of those at microstakes. they're also where the majority of your $ will come from. if the fish in the BB will defend the same range vs a 5x BU open as vs your "standard" 2.5x button open, and you have AA on the BU. well yeah you get the point.