Jacks in the small blind vs loose passive

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($5.58)
UTG+1 ($3.90)
MP1 ($10.79)
MP2 ($13.74)
CO ($6.23)
BTN ($6.68)
kicKAss (SB) ($10)
BB ($4)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) kicKAss is SB
5 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, kicKAss calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players)
kicKAss bets $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.50, 2 players)
kicKAss bets $0.80, BTN raises to $2, kicKAss folds

Final Pot: $4.30

BTN wins $4.15 (net +$1.45)

kicKAss lost $1.50


villain is 27/3 over 36. I dont know if Im even ahead of his raising range pre. I dont think he had attempted a steal before now its only 4 orbits i dont recal him having a chance to. did i play this wrong.

Assuming he's passive post, you can bet bigger like ~$0.55 flop, ~$1.5 turn, ship river. Your sizing doesn't allow you to get it in on the river comfortably. Folding turn as played should be fine, again assuming he's passive post.

seems fine as long as you know why you are donking as opposed to c/c

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

seems fine as long as you know why you are donking as opposed to c/c

Could you give some reasons for donkbetting as oppossed to c/c in this sort of spot (or in general?). I rarely, if ever use the donkbet.

Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

Could you give some reasons for donkbetting as oppossed to c/c in this sort of spot (or in general?). I rarely, if ever use the donkbet.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2062948

Too small sample size, he may just have a bad string of cards. I think he is stealing here enough of the time to make a 3 bet profitable.

Much appreciated.

where is the damn 3b pre?

I like C/C here or the 3pb due to your stack sizes, it gives you more information about the hand then the db.

you'd prefer i 3 bet fold pre or 3 bet stack off?. i'm unsure of what it accomplishes, is it so i dont give value to the BB inviting him to come along? I have no idea about what villain 4 bets or what he flats what does he think of 88 99 10s here what about AK or AJ. yeah he'll prolly put more money in but then i'll be oop without a clue in a bloated pot with a meh good hand vs some unknown range that prolly doesnt include AA. vs unknowns I don't like to bloat pots oop if i dont know why im doing it.
i donk because the guys passive as hell and i dont know he'll c bet his big cards but he will almost always call cos he's fish. I expected to be able to put in a few bets and get called off by worse I dont expect to be in front all the time but enough for it to be +ev. I also dont expect him to bluff raise me but what do i know he's pretty unknown.
This is why i asked though looking for some kind of reasurance that i'm doing the right thing in hands i loose so i know what to fix and not fuck with stuff that was okay trying to win every pot

Dont take it personal.

3bp will let you know if he has the higher PP if he calls, AK, etc.
It's a way of letting you know where he is.


As played pre, I like c/c because you let less than JJ bluff into you, and you don't bloat the pot against JJ+.

Originally Posted by Zel

Dont take it personal.

3bp will let you know if he has the higher PP if he calls, AK, etc.
It's a way of letting you know where he is.


As played pre, I like c/c because you let less than JJ bluff into you, and you don't bloat the pot against JJ+.

not taking offence sorry if my response came across that way.

I dont really understand the 3bp bit are you saying narrow hs range to hands that beat or flip with me. I think this guy would call with weaker than JJ bt Im only guessing at that. He seemed to me to be the type to open limp from the button, you know the type, I actually think he has something at least semi decent when he raises.

the C bet stat says 100% but he only raised once before. I would hate for him to chk back then fire on a Q turn that I let him have for free, I dont think he wants stacks in with 10s or 8s but will likely call down and would prolly call a couple of streets with AT+ or KQ. Am i just repeatng myself? is my thought process flawed somewhere?

Originally Posted by Zel

Dont take it personal.

3bp will let you know if he has the higher PP if he calls, AK, etc.
It's a way of letting you know where he is.


As played pre, I like c/c because you let less than JJ bluff into you, and you don't bloat the pot against JJ+.

This post is just full of wrong. You don't 3b pre for information, and c/c is preferable against more aggressive opponents that are likely to c-bet.