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                                                02-22-2007 12:44 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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                                                02-22-2007 01:13 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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                                                02-22-2007 03:16 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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                                                02-22-2007 10:35 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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		Don't you guys see any downsides in calling a min raise just because you get good odds? You have to play the whole hand OOP, you'll probably have to make some very tough decisions when you flop bottom / middle pair with your 84o.  | |
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                                                02-22-2007 10:37 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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		pot odds preflop aren't relevant  | |
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                                                02-22-2007 12:32 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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		You are oop with a marginal hand. Ouch! Of course, you can call with suited cards that look connected (like 84s and stuff like that) but not with stuff like J2o. I would much prefer 84s than A2o in that spot. I think that suited and connected cards go way up in value. However, it is better to fold than to play oop with that kind of a hand.  | 
		
		
		 
		
		
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                                                02-22-2007 12:55 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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		Who raised? From which position? What's your chances of making a big hand?  | |
		
		
		 
		
		
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                                                02-22-2007 01:58 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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		this thread needs a phrase:  | |
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                                                02-22-2007 04:25 PM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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