We've been discussing this hand here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...eg-t83120.html
This is probably all half retarded and doesn't make sense but whatever, I decided to post this to see what other's thoughts were.

Dranger: thinking about it (still lol) c/r is best line imo
Dranger: cuz u KNOW he c-bets all his range

Micro: yo put that as a repsonse

Dranger: so u get value out of his bluffs

Micro: see if we can initiate some sort of discussion

Dranger: and you are still able to ship it imo

Micro: hopefully stax or someone can step in

Dranger: or even let it go if you REALLY felt weird about the hand i guess

Micro: haha yeah we never talked about folding

Dranger: cuz raising a c/r is pretty ballsy

Micro: LOL
Micro: yeah who the fuck raises a c/r?[/b] {at this level, being microstakes}

Dranger: lol

Micro: woah...wait a minute

Dranger: a badass thats who

Micro: what the hell would you raise a c/r with?

Dranger:

Micro: like if you got the nuts, you can just call and let villain spew the turn....{assuming we're ahead and expect villain to bet any turn}
Micro: its gotta be rare that anyone ever raises the nuts in this case
Micro: unless the board is like 3flush and you have top set

Dranger: hmm
Dranger: yea
Dranger: omg that reminds me i get set over setted last night lol
Dranger: anyways go on
Dranger: lul

Micro: like..if UTG , a TAG, opens for 4x, and we call with JJ on the button, get heads up, see a flop of J92 (the 2 can be like 3, 4 or whatever its a total brick)
Micro: he checks, we bet 2/3 the pot, he c/r's 3-4x
Micro: what does he have?
Micro: his range is so narrow, that raising the nuts here is fucked
Micro: like AA/KK/maybe QQ, and 99/22 {though we can probably even disregard 22}

Dranger: yea
Dranger: i would never raise that

Micro: board has no flush draws, and it's super unlikely he has QT
Micro: okay even if there was a flush draw

Dranger: yea who c/r a straight draw?
Dranger: lol
Dranger: if theres a flush draw?

Micro: exactly

Dranger: id raise

Micro: ok yeah, if there's a flush draw - if he has it, its probably the nut flush draw

Dranger: i would raise his gay ass c/r all day lol

Micro: so he's going to c-bet
Micro: but if he c/r's the flop with a flush draw from his UTG open..ok i doubt he has a flush draw often when he c/r's
Micro: it just seems standard for a tag to c-bet here, although we cant say he never c/r's the draw {but he's probably check-raising the nut flush draw less often than he's c-betting it}

Dranger: yea unless its like AKs

Micro: yeah

Dranger: but id never c/r with that

Micro: but again, if he c/r's, we can discount the draw out of his range a bit
Micro: and just flat the nuts again

Dranger: unless i knew that i was gonna bluff at the pot after he checks

Micro: yeah
Micro: i know this theory needs more proof and its probably very situational. but in general: When you c/r and get re-raised, you're likely not looking at the nuts {we went over the exceptions above}

Dranger: raising a c/r with the nuts is probly dumb as shit lol {in the case described}
Dranger: yea lol

Micro: exactly

Dranger: but wtf who does raise a c/r?

Micro: like 90% of the time you're never seeing the best hand {yah I just pulled that number out of my ass}

Dranger: im gonna make a thread in the bc
Dranger: lol
Dranger: titled: What do you raise a c/r with?

Micro: I dunno because, tbh, i don't think i've ever raised one here except against a lag-tard on a really drawy board {against an EP TAG opener, his range is less likely to consist of draws if he's opening mainly pairs and only a few broadways (AK/AQ)}

Dranger: and thats it

Micro: like a set on a wet flop

Dranger: exactly

Micro: but yeah that's basically the only time

Dranger: im just curious to see what sort of responses i get

Micro: if the flop is dry - and you c/r, then get raised, you're villain likely has a bluffy range
Micro: assuming he knows at least something about poker

Dranger: lol yea

Micro: a dumbass might just do it because they're a lag tard

Dranger: hahaha

Micro: you should just post our conversation and see how badly it gets berated. maybe we'll learn something


So I decided to post it. Now berate so we can all learn something. The fictional player we related to was a standard tight/aggressive player, who doesn't get too tricky. Afterall, this is microstakes. We're making general assumptions here of course. For example, if a player is liberally c/r'ing you, an adjustment would either be stop betting as much, or raise back.