Quote Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyes
Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyes
When you make a pair or greater on the flop. When I say c-bet I mean continuation betting with A high or less. You can't bet draws.
Any pocket pair, I'm always betting my pair on the flop.

I see where you're going with this so let me say you can only raise TT and up preflop. Removing your ability to c-bet I equate with playing with 9 of the worst calling stations you ever saw.
1) Why don't you tell us exactly what we are allowed to raise, and how to play on the flop, and then ask how we would play?

2) Hand strengh is not determined by what you have on the flop. It is determined by how often you will win the hand by the river. Because of that, even of you KNOW people will call, it will be correct to bet draws often. In the same respect, it can be incorrect to bet a weak pair.

3) Not being able to bet a weak hand is very different than being ensured of a call. The reason for this is twofold:
a- equity as I mentioned earlier. Your equity can often make it correct to bet into a field.
b- pot control. betting a weak hand to make the pot larget can help get you larger bets in the future, and the converse- making a large pot can force you to call bets later if you are outdrawn.
2) The only pure draw which can be a favorite against any made hand preflop is a OESFD right? What other draw can be profitable to bet if you ignore FE?

3) Yeah you're right, there is thing's involved which I neglected to take into account.


What I intended to look into was the value of raising unpaired hands when playing with tables of calling stations. Tables where you are almost ensured of a call from at least one player on any flop and unmade hand continuation betting has negative expectation.