I think I'm good. Pay off two pair/set?

Is there a way to know if I'm good here?
Turn bet: The $4 bet was to keep the smaller Kx hands in.
Reraise: $8 into $22 I feel like I can't lay it down.
99Tom vp$ip 37.93 only 29 hands. JTo


***** Pacific Hand History for Game 11431487 *****
$0.12/$0.25 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 08 09 01:38:04 2006
Table Colita (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 10: Deweyby ( $17.97 )
Seat 1: suli0 ( $18.38 )
Seat 3: Island3r ( $25.8 )
Seat 5: camalu ( $18.63 )
Seat 6: frogboy3 ( $21.45 )
Seat 7: awk81 ( $15.33 )
Seat 8: AlexJG ( $29.01 )
Seat 9: 99tom14 ( $15.31 )
Island3r posts small blind [$0.12].
camalu posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Island3r [ Ks Qc ]
frogboy3 folds.
awk81 calls [$0.25].
AlexJG folds.
99tom14 calls [$0.25].
Deweyby folds.
suli0 folds.
Island3r raises [$0.88].
camalu folds.
awk81 folds.
99tom14 calls [$0.75]. (Pot $2.50)
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 10h, Kc ]
Island3r bets [$2].
99tom14 calls [$2]. (Pot $6.50)
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
Island3r bets [$4].
99tom14 raises [$12.31].

get out fast

you might be good here - against a good player, you better learn to not do this stuff though, or you'll get slaughtered - making bit pots with marg. hands is a loser, in the long run - your beat by a LOT of hands here...

He likes his hand, there's no draws out there, what hand makes this raise that KQ beats? Unless hes a total fish, none.

when there is betting on the flop followed by a turn raise, you usually can't continue w/ just one pair.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

get out fast

hurray for my 1st time being quoted

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

hurray for my 2nd time being quoted

I do fold this most of the time. I'm probably about even on these calls.(I'm probably down, my selective memory is playing tricks on me). I may as well learn to let go of these types of hands now.

99Tom14 showed down JTo, 2nd pair and ISD. He missed the river and I took down the pot.

The reason I posted is I was hoping someone would know how to get a read out of these "maniacs?"

I guess I just need to see them play a hand this way and take note of it.

Even though someone might be a "maniac", they still follow a pattern that's logical (at least to themselves). Think of this hand in your opponents shoes with different possible hands.

Because of his VPIP, he could be playing a lot of hands, lets say he has K9.

You bet the flop for $2, he calls. His thinking is probably he could have the best hand, but isn't sure.

you bet the turn for $4, he raises to $12. How does this fit K9? It doesn't! Why would he suddenly raise when he hasn't improved on the turn?

This can be said for all Kx except K10, K5, and K8.

Lets say he has 55 preflop. lets go through logic.

you bet flop $2, he calls "wow, he'll probably bet to me on later streets lets slowplay!"

you bet turn $4, he raises $12 "okay lets make this pot bigger, money!!! yay!!!"

he might do the same thing with any two pair.


Although he ended up being a complete idiot, i still feel like this is a fold. You can't make a call there unless you have seen him showdown a midpair with similar action.

Like others have said, try not to invest a lot of money when you have a marginal hand. TP is a marginal hand.

With KQo I prefer a limp in position (suited you can raise periodically to vary your play).

On the turn facing a raise I'd have to believe you're beat. There's not a lot of hands you beat(KJ?/K9s?) and alot have you cooked (KT/K5s/55).

On top of that you still have a potential straight draw to fight off (J9/79/67) so I would dump this and wait for a better spot to get my money in.

Originally Posted by IslandAK

I guess I just need to see them play a hand this way and take note of it.

yep.