I expected more

having moved to 100NL, i expected a new level of game, but its just not there... just play the cards, destack the idiot.. when does it get more interesting???

Meh if it is still easy money enjoy it.

I heard 3/6 is where it changes from posters on here.

Wasnt there a club with Rilla in it and Spino

Originally Posted by Muxy

Wasnt there a club with Rilla in it and Spino

hahaa.. the "thought they were good till hit 3/6 and busted" yes i believe there was a club.

I didnt say i wasnt enjoying it, but it could be more interesting.. more challenging would be a better word

Originally Posted by BIGandRICH

but it could be more interesting.. more challenging would be a better word

Hmmmm i look for softer games myself not for a challenge.

Originally Posted by Muxy

Originally Posted by BIGandRICH

but it could be more interesting.. more challenging would be a better word

Hmmmm i look for softer games myself not for a challenge.

I want to improve though.. i dont really mean a game thats hard i guess.. but a game where i really have to play players, not just do nothing but camp. The 50/1 provides that challenge, on occasion.. but more often its a campers game.

Its like, you know how theres different kinds of fish.. i've learnt how to deal with the kinds you find at low stakes (not that 50/1 is high stakes, (but i was hoping there'd be more of a difference).. i want to learn how to beat the other kinds too.

You will learn my "son" while you travel the roads of NL ring. Just keep moving up you will know when.

Originally Posted by Muxy

You will learn my "son" while you travel the roads of NL ring. Just keep moving up you will know when.

the whole taking a long time issue that is involved with this kinda sucks.. i guess i am an impatient teenager.

You can maximize your profit at any level by finding the players and playing them. There are plenty of idiots, but there are a few sharks mixed in as well. I play players at 50NL. It's all about knowing who's paying attention and who's not.

I expected the same when I played 100 NL over at UB, then I was winning $200 pots with AA or a set, and it just blew my mind.

$100 NL is weak. $200 NL is pretty much the same as $100 NL, just double the stakes. The players at $400 NL are a little more tight, but not particularly good in general.

I had a hand earlier today at $400 NL where this guy raised in late position, I tripled his raise with K-K. The flop came J, 7, 7, he checked, I bet about half the pot, he minraised, I went all-in and he called with Q-J and stacked himself. These people don't go away.

600 NL seems to be the consistent chatter of when it gets difficult. I think you can always find tight,good players at any stake. It has a lot to do with their bankrolls.

As for whether you want a challenge or easy money, it matters what you're playing poker for. I personally play so I don't have to work at subway part time (genreal example) while at college. I like easy money, that's why I play.

I dont know, i play 25 NL for the extra cash, and I dont think some of you guys that have moved up give it the respect it deserves. You say to just camp and wait for great hands, but it always doesnt work that way. No one will give you action after a couple days and they recognize your name. I incorporate a decent amount of bluffing into my 25 NL game, just so i can get action on my monsters. but who knows, maybe i am just overplaying 25 nl heh

Originally Posted by potdragn

I dont know, i play 25 NL for the extra cash, and I dont think some of you guys that have moved up give it the respect it deserves. You say to just camp and wait for great hands, but it always doesnt work that way. No one will give you action after a couple days and they recognize your name. I incorporate a decent amount of bluffing into my 25 NL game, just so i can get action on my monsters. but who knows, maybe i am just overplaying 25 nl heh

You are giving the $25 NL players WAY WAY WAY to much credit.

Dont Bluff, and keep playing tight and camping sets are you will make money like crazy.

Really, they dont see/care that you only play one in 15 hands. playing the other hands is a waste of time and money. What your probally seeing is just normal variation. Sometimes you dont get callers, and sometimes you do. It's not like all of your sets/etc will pay you off. Have the bad luck of getting 5 in a row not paying off and you start to think that they know what your doing, and that you need to start bluffing more so that you get your sets paid off. Just keep playing and soon someone will have top pair with a jack kicker to call your all in with (or the almighty gutshot to call with).

heh, at least half of the $100NL players still have no clue that your camping... dont even worry about it at the $25/$50 levels.

Originally Posted by potdragn

I dont know, i play 25 NL for the extra cash, and I dont think some of you guys that have moved up give it the respect it deserves. You say to just camp and wait for great hands, but it always doesnt work that way. No one will give you action after a couple days and they recognize your name. I incorporate a decent amount of bluffing into my 25 NL game, just so i can get action on my monsters. but who knows, maybe i am just overplaying 25 nl heh

Not to say that 100NL is hard or anything.. but when you move up to higher levels yourself you'll see why 25NL is generally rubbish.. the fact that you may not get paid off is probably just that the players have absolutley nothing.. 6 high or something

On the subject of $25 NL, I don't really think that "camping" is the best strategy.

When I played $25 NL I could see the flop as much as 30% and still show consistent +EV on those hands. The pot is rarely raised PF, so you might as well play hands for cheap and use them to destack fools when you hit something powerful. Even junk like KT can be played profitably - when a king came on the flop, I found I would outkick someone alot more often than i'd be outkicked. Ax suited can also be profitable as well as suited connectors, 1-gappers and of course all pairs.

I understand the general maxim that when the game is loose one should play tight, but I don't really think it applies when the level of play is this bad.

I agree with Lexicon. When the preflop play is loose/weak and most of the players overvalue their hands postflop, why not play 40-50% of starting hands? If you can get paid off nicely on most of your 2 pair or better hands because your opps dont see through your "limp and camp" strategy, 25 cents is a very cheap price to see a flop.

Originally Posted by Lexicon Devil

On the subject of $25 NL, I don't really think that "camping" is the best strategy.

When I played $25 NL I could see the flop as much as 30% and still show consistent +EV on those hands. The pot is rarely raised PF, so you might as well play hands for cheap and use them to destack fools when you hit something powerful. Even junk like KT can be played profitably - when a king came on the flop, I found I would outkick someone alot more often than i'd be outkicked. Ax suited can also be profitable as well as suited connectors, 1-gappers and of course all pairs.

I understand the general maxim that when the game is loose one should play tight, but I don't really think it applies when the level of play is this bad.

effectively still camping.. you're hanging around, and betting when you hit a big hand.. in this camping style game you are betting your strength.. as apposed to betting other peoples weakness.