i consider this badbeat

Hand #11009420-11612 at Maughold (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 28/Jan/06 15:05:39

rkruck is at seat 0 with $48.75.
mrfilthyrich is at seat 1 with $22.10.
KnotYou is at seat 2 with $27.35.
Milandro is at seat 3 with $65.40.
whizman is at seat 4 with $0 (sitting out).
rbrettel15 is at seat 5 with $87.05.
PocketAces3 is at seat 6 with $44.10.
hannahjeanj is at seat 7 with $45.25.
Tricky Dick77 is at seat 8 with $50.
b_rabbit is at seat 9 with $50.
The button is at seat 1.

KnotYou posts the small blind of $.25.
Milandro posts the big blind of $.50.
b_rabbit posts out of turn for $.50.

rkruck: -- --
mrfilthyrich: -- --
KnotYou: -- --
Milandro: 6s Ah
rbrettel15: -- --
PocketAces3: -- --
hannahjeanj: -- --
Tricky Dick77: -- --
b_rabbit: -- --

Pre-flop:

rbrettel15 folds. PocketAces3 folds. hannahjeanj
folds. Tricky Dick77 folds. b_rabbit checks.
rkruck calls. mrfilthyrich calls. KnotYou calls.
Milandro checks.

Flop (board: 2h Jh 4h):

KnotYou checks. Milandro bets $.75. b_rabbit folds.
rkruck folds. mrfilthyrich calls. KnotYou folds.


Turn (board: 2h Jh 4h 8h):

Milandro checks. mrfilthyrich checks.

River (board: 2h Jh 4h 8h 6h):

Milandro goes all-in for $64.15. mrfilthyrich goes
all-in for $20.85. Milandro is returned $43.30
(uncalled).



Showdown:

Milandro shows 6s Ah.
Milandro has Ah Jh 4h 8h 6h: flush, ace high.
mrfilthyrich shows 5h 3h.
mrfilthyrich has 5h 3h 2h 4h 6h: straight flush, six high.

Hand #11009420-11612 Summary:

$2.25 is raked from a pot of $45.70.
mrfilthyrich wins $43.45 with straight flush, six high.
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no, you got your money in with the worst of it, if you had pushed the turn and he called, then maybe, but as played it is not a bad beat, a bad play perhaps, but not a bad beat

/\ its only bad play because youre results oriented. I would have played that the same any day anytime.... what are the odds of him having straight flush?????

Well, nobody can blame the guy for getting his free card..you gave it to him.

you would have checked the turn, and then pushed the river, putting $60+ into a nothing pot?? why?? what hands can call you here. a K high flush might, but its unlikely. and if the K would call on the river, he definitely would have called on turn, which seems like the best place to get some money in the pot.

I think the turn check was good, the best possible play, but i'd like to hear some other feedback. I think it gives the impression that you flopped a flush with low suited cards but are nervous when a turn heart appears. The best way to get a king or queen high flush to try to take the pot.
Incidentally, I just player a hand where i flopped the nut flush, player to my left makes a strong bet that I call, then pushes the blank turn. I expected a king flush but apparently he picked the wrong time to bluff with a pair of sevens. Easiest $100 ever.
Also, in the same session, I ended up folding a straight flush to a higher straight flush, which was easy and lucky too, considering i had the seven and the board was 5 8 9 10 J h. The other fellow with the nut flush wasn't so lucky.
Strange that this just happens and I read this post. I think you played the hand as well as possible, and the river push gives the impression of trying to bluff the the nut flush. Sometimes I imagine you just have to pay off straight flushes.

looking back over the HH, I think in this situation the turn check looks like exactly what it was, a turned nut flush. I hadnt noticed how small that flop bet was, but .75 into a 2.50 pot looks like a drawing hand, not a hand that is made and could be scared of another heart, ie. TP, set, etc. then the check when the fourth flush card comes just reeks of a nut flush. meaning the only hand that can call your river push is a straight flush. now, if you had bet a regular amount on the river and he pushed over, i would say you quickly call, but the river bet seems like a really bad play.

i wasnt getting any money on the river anyway. I pushed hoping hed play the board but it turned out he was holding the nut.

Originally Posted by mpc2323

i wasnt getting any money on the river anyway. I pushed hoping hed play the board but it turned out he was holding the nut.

Do you really think when you pushed that you would get a call from someone who was just playing the board or had a low heart? No way in hell.

Also, I don't like the way you played it, especially the river push. Pushing is definitely +EV, but if you just bet out 1/2 - full pot, you will earn more in the long run, when the K or Q high flush calls you. Also, you should bet the turn. Giving a free card does nothing for you. If villian doesn't have a hand to pay you off with on the turn, he's not paying you off on the river. You will extract more from the K or Q flush with a turn bet followed up by a river bet. You also give 2 pair and sets a chance to fill up. Bet the turn so they have to pay for that opportunity.