I am I the Donk?

Hello all, this is what would be my first post had I not posted on the introduce yourself column.
Will try and post for the Bikes comp too if I have time!

Funny little thing happened just now:


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players


Hero (SB): $10.05
BB: $9.30

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has T J

Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 8 2 Q
BB checks, Hero bets $0.42, BB calls $0.42

Turn: ($1.44, 2 players) 9
BB checks, Hero bets $0.68, BB raises to $1.90, Hero raises to $7.07, BB raises to $8.58 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.51

River: ($18.60, 2 players) 4

BB shows 2 2 (Three of a Kind, Twos) (PreFlop 48%, Flop 85%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows T J (Straight, Queen High) (PreFlop 52%, Flop 15%, Turn 77%)
Hero wins $18.10



Villains words were "rofl what a donk"

Correct me if I'm being overly defensive here but I'm almost certain he's the donk here:
Sure I bet out with J10o but was in position, and villain just calls with trash out of position.
I keep it aggressive and bet out and he flat calls, I hit my hand and then he decides to raise it up?! When I make that big raise I figure he could only have two pair a set or also a straight - in each case all the money is going in. Anything about this play that screams donk to you?

Very soon after:

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players


Hero (BTN): $20.75
SB: $9.95
BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.00
CO: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 5 5

fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) K 4 5
CO bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.55, 2 players) 3
CO bets $0.90, Hero raises to $2.00, CO calls $1.10

River: ($5.55, 2 players) J
CO bets $2.20, Hero calls $2.20

CO shows T 6 (Flush, King High) (PreFlop 49%, Flop 27%, Turn 30%)
Hero mucks 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives) (PreFlop 51%, Flop 73%, Turn 70%)
CO wins $9.47



Previous player says something like "see, DONK"

Here I thought I played it fairly sensibly pre-flop possibly should've folded fives but villain wasn't that tight. I made it expensive for villain to draw that last spade - I guess in hindsight if I was betting to draw out a flush I should've been more scared of the spade (I didn't re-raise the river for that reason). I maybe should've folded the set? I didn't stack however.. Unlike the "donk"

But I was still sucked out on, right?

I was a bit annoyed I lost this one, but mainly because the egotistical ass to my left was up him self.

I've tried to give my own analysis on it. I'd like to hear yours. Cheers - great site.

Players that make a point of harassing other players after losing are usually pretty bad. If I'm playing a really bad player and he manages to win a big pot against me, the last thing I will do is start screaming at him and calling him names. He might get sick of it and leave the table, taking his big stack with him!

The first hand is fine. Your biggest mistake in the second hand is not raising enough on the turn. You're giving him 4.5:1 odds on a call, which is enough to chase any straight or flush draw without needing implied odds.

First hand is fine. The hand played itself.
Second hand, if you want to charge draws your raise size on turn is wrong. You want to raise to 3$-4$ to make it quite unprofitable for him. Its very crucial in this case, since villain actually has both flush and straight draw and probably never folds to a raise.

Both plays are pretty standard, tho you might have possibly fold that second hand. Dude that was calling you a donk was just very frustrated that his set got destroyed.

Thanks for your comments both, can completely see where I want slightly wrong on the turn. I'm aware of pot odds etc - I guess I had it in my head that $2 was a considerable raise from .80c when really it is only pot size that is relevant.

However I have the impression that villain wasn't aware of his odds anyway, lesson learned

Originally Posted by Jour-Ne'

However I have the impression that villain wasn't aware of his odds anyway, lesson learned

This will be true a lot of the time. Point is to make sure that they are making a mistake by calling, whether or not they even realize it. Remember that we aren't so much trying to fold out draws, but charging them enough that we profit from their mistakes, not the other way around.

Yeah, hand 1 is a non issue.

Can't see any reason to not raise the flop on hand 2.

i'd bet like $1 on the turn in hand 1 but it obviously wouldn't have changed anything given it was set vs straight headsup.

hand 2 i'd probably raise the turn to about $3.4.

OP did not post any stats or real reads on villain or the blinds and I'm wondering if we should be flatting 55 BTN vs. CO.

Should bet more on turn in Hand 1; Hand 2 is a must-raise on the flop especially given dynamics.

Originally Posted by Jour-Ne'

...Villains words were "rofl what a donk"...

and if you're getting steamed by the chat, just turn it off.

Originally Posted by DoubleJ

and if you're getting steamed by the chat, just turn it off.

this.

unless of course youre the type of person who can use chatbox banter to your advantage. I never really got the hang of it myself

You made the same mistake in H2 that the villain from H1 made...ya didn't raise the flop.

H1 - bet turn to like $1.25. If he raises to 3x then you've got a pretty easy shove over. It's better to get him to make that choice than to allow him the last raise.

H2 - raise flop to ~$1.45