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Hello everyone I am new to this place but I have played poker for a while and am decent player etc. This hand is from 100NL game at pokerstars where I play 6 max hold em with no limit. The other player was from argentina but I had not seen him before this because his picture was not known to me. It was the Argentina flag.

My hand was the K6 and I was big blind this time. The other guy raised it to $3 and everyone elese folded and I re-raised it to $28.
I had $80 stack btw. The reason I raised it again was because he also raised the last 2 hands so was likely on a bluff or a steal. My hand was better than a lot of hands he might have but I would have folded if he raised me because then its likely hed have the pokat aces or kings or queens. Anyway he called sorry.

The Flop was this: J J 10

So I bet $7 because if he had not made his pair he would have to fold. Is it okay to lead out here with a bet? I thought he had probably ace and a queen given that he just called before the flop. He raised me to $40 and I had to fold because he musst have had the pokat jacks.

Is this okay or a waste of money for not bluffing him all in on the flop since I'd already put lots in with my bluff before the flop. I usually play the $200 no limit games on poker stars but I only had $210 left of my $400 that I had won with good bluffs and good cards etc.

Please call me Otter everybody. I am happy to hear what you think of my play in this hand. It wouldn't let me convert it using the tools converter hh because I am just new.

Otter.

Otter, it sounds like you are playing very under-bankrolled for your current levels. Is the $400 all you have online? If so the highest level you should be playing is $25nl (.10/.25 blinds)

There are many Bankroll Management articles on this site it would benefit you greatly to read them.

For the hand, 3betting can be ok in this spot but it does not need to be nearly as big. Your risk vs. reward is pretty awful when you make it $28 to win $4.50 ($3 raise plus the blinds). Instead a raise to $10 or $11 would have to work less than half as much as $28 to be more profitable or less unprofitable.

Post flop you bet $7 into $56, that is a very small bet, one an opponent would more than likely read as weakness. I highly doubt he's going to fold any hand he called for $28 PF with therefore I would just give up on the flop.

Welcome to FTR, please stick around and start playing properly rolled and you'll be just fine.

JJT is like not a good flop for cbetting in this spot

1. your bet preflop was too big, don't make it much bigger than 3.5x the original raise which would be 10.5
2. he's not folding AQ, he might raise as a bluff since he has outs and he might put you on AK that you will fold and he has outs against better hands

basically JTx flops are bad to cbet in 3b pots because they "hit" all of his range decently well so you might as well c/f unless you hit it
the fact it's paired works to your advantage since he has a few less cards to hit, but then again he's not folding overcards because he has a gutshot, so he might shove it in as a semi-bluff with overcards and you can't call with a lot of your range if you cbet with nothing here a lot

Thank you for replying with your thoughts. I probably should have posted it not in the brginners section since I have been playing a while. I didn't mean to sound like I needed help just oppinions.

I have just $167 left now because someone was bluffing me tonight and I kept having to fold. But this is all the money I need because If I lose it \i will buy in more you see. I have some money from my farm comming in. I don't want to play the 25NL because the players are all bad and call with nothing all the time. It's really annoying when they fucking bluff call you with nothing.

Does anyone else have a thought on this hand?

You realise the only hands that will call the flop are pairs and 3 of a kind and 4 of a kind? Since he most liklely doesn't have those it's okay to bet small right cos then we don't have to be committed to the pot.

Apart from the pairs i think before the flop is fine because we have the 2nd best type of hand thats not a pair - the king hands. So we beat the q and j hands and can bluff the ace hands on this flop.

Otter.

Originally Posted by Otter_Brothface

Thank you for replying with your thoughts. I probably should have posted it not in the brginners section since I have been playing a while. I didn't mean to sound like I needed help just oppinions.

I have just $167 left now because someone was bluffing me tonight and I kept having to fold. But this is all the money I need because If I lose it \i will buy in more you see. I have some money from my farm comming in. I don't want to play the 25NL because the players are all bad and call with nothing all the time. It's really annoying when they fucking bluff call you with nothing.

Does anyone else have a thought on this hand?

You realise the only hands that will call the flop are pairs and 3 of a kind and 4 of a kind? Since he most liklely doesn't have those it's okay to bet small right cos then we don't have to be committed to the pot.

Apart from the pairs i think before the flop is fine because we have the 2nd best type of hand thats not a pair - the king hands. So we beat the q and j hands and can bluff the ace hands on this flop.

Otter.

If you know they're going to call with nothing, ADJUST YOUR GAME. Don't try to bluff them. Instead, when you have a hand, value bet, value bet, value bet! Time and time again it's been said that if you can't beat the lower limits, how can you use your game to beat a higher one? With $167, you're barely rolled for 10NL ($0.05/0.10 blinds). I'd strongly advise you drop down in stakes and rebuild your bankroll before you lose it all.

Originally Posted by Otter_Brothface

Thank you for replying with your thoughts. I probably should have posted it not in the brginners section since I have been playing a while. I didn't mean to sound like I needed help just oppinions.

To the contrary, it sounds like you need help

Originally Posted by Otter_Brothface

I have just $167 left now because someone was bluffing me tonight and I kept having to fold. But this is all the money I need because If I lose it \i will buy in more you see. I have some money from my farm comming in. I don't want to play the 25NL because the players are all bad and call with nothing all the time. It's really annoying when they fucking bluff call you with nothing.

Thank you for contributing to the poker economy.

Does anyone else have a thought on this hand?

You realise the only hands that will call the flop are pairs and 3 of a kind and 4 of a kind?

False, he'll raise you with pretty much anything because HE thinks you don't have anything

Since he most liklely doesn't have those it's okay to bet small right cos then we don't have to be committed to the pot.

but if you bet small, he'll know you don't have it and be correct to raise you with anything since you'll fold unless you have pair of tens or better

Apart from the pairs i think before the flop is fine because we have the 2nd best type of hand thats not a pair - the king hands. So we beat the q and j hands and can bluff the ace hands on this flop.

Otter.

No, because you're beat by KQ, any ace, any pair
we also don't beat j high hands because j has three of a kind
also, if he has a queen in his hand he either has QJ, QT or KQ or AQ which all beat you
even if he has Q9s (which he won't) he might raise as a semi-bluff
he wouldn't show up with Q8 that often because he'd fold to your raise preflop

If I had AQ I would never fold that flop because your bet is too small and I would raise since I have a draw + at least one card I can hit to make a best hand unless you have a J

This has to be a level right?

Originally Posted by Knytestorme

This has to be a level right?

You beat me to it.

We should guess on who this could be.

ACE!!!!! imo.






* Disclaimer - If this is not a level, OP you need serious poker help and would do good to read all strategy articles on FTR before playing another hand.

If serious, grammar help > poker help.

Well guys, the money has to come from somewhere. I postulate that players like this exist even if this is a troll.

Thank you for all your comments. I am still working on my game actually, but I do think some comments is a little harsh. As for the grammar part I am from Costa Rica and do not have great English yet although it is improving.

I decided I would take your advice and start playing 50NL so here is a bad hand from today where the other guy took all my money. My bankroll is now only $110 so I might need to buy in more to be comfrotable like you said at 100NL.

I had the AJ on the button and I called because someone raised $2 just before me. The flop was this: A K 9 - he bet $3 trying to pretend he had the ace aswell or something so I just called to trick him. The turn was Q and i check he bet $6.50 and I called again to trap him. River was K and I bet my last $38 cos my hand looks much weaker and like a bluff. He called and he had a monster, He had the 99 in the pokat.

I should probably fold flop cos he had trips but I didn't know - I thought he was bluffing so with my reads is this ok? I think he played his hand bad cos he could have scared me away if I didn't have a pair!

Btw it's hard to play people at 50NL becuase they think on a really low level and play hands dumb!!!

Otter

What range of hands did you put him on? (Do not post results please)

You may think the comments a little harsh, but 2 things...

1.Is their comments any more harsh than losing much of your roll? Remember too that they are here to help, offering their time and skill to assist you in playing better.

2.Your last statement is harsh as well. Quite a few players here play 50NL and below, and they are quite intelligent and play amazingly well. You may do yourself harm by underestimating your opponents.

Otter, you need to stop playing poker for a few days because you have a ton of misconceptions. I would advise you to read the stickies and strategy posts in this forum and everywhere you can find.

First, if it is true that players at 50NL think on a lower level than you, that is a GOOD thing for your chances of winning. This is not opinion, but fact.

Second, it is okay to play a hand based on your read. The results of one particular hand are irrelevant. To say that you should have folded because he had 99 is ridiculous. Note: I am NOT saying you played the hand well.

Third, to deposit more money so that you can play a certain stake without having proven that you can beat that stake is the tested plan of action of a losing player. There is an intrinsic value in building up your bankroll from an initial deposit and learning along the way.

Fourth, you do not have enough money for 10NL let alone 50NL or 100NL. The best NLHE player in the world playing in the softest game in the world can easily lose all his money playing with 2 buy-ins. Drop down to 2NL and learn the fundamentals of the game.

Fifth, there are many free hand converters that don't contain URL's in their outputs, may I suggest http://www.leggopoker.com/converter. Note how you can select flopturnriver from the converting preferences drop-down menu. Posting the raw hand history is still better than writing the hand as you did, however.

Sixth, nobody HAS to fold, regardless of whether they hit a pair or not. Read this: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ld-t25206.html

Seventh, it was a good decision to post in the beginner's circle. Please do not post anywhere else for some time.

Eighth, I want to reiterate this: If the players are bad and call with nothing, it is GOOD for you to be playing in that game. This is independent of whether or not it is actually true that the players are bad. Also, as JR already said, suggesting that all of the players at 50NL and below are terrible is hurtful to many people here.

Ninth, how did you have AJ on the button and act first on the turn and river?

Tenth, are you using any tracking software currently? Check out PokerTracker3 and Hold 'em Manager if you aren't.

Some basic concepts you need to learn and understand before playing again: pot odds, implied odds, bet sizing, continuation betting, position. This is not a complete list but a starting point.

If you find this harsh, remember that I could easily have ignored this thread and not given you any help. I play 100NL, and would love to have you in my games, so telling you to drop down and improve is hardly the worst thing I could say. If I were really hateful, I would challenge you to play heads-up for all of your money.

I understand spanish fairly well, so you can try talking to me in spanish if you feel you can't express yourself sufficiently in english, as long as it's okay with you that I reply in english.

I joined a poker site for help so I will accept what you say even though it is concur. However I believe that players at 50NL do not understand how to play for card value. They play for folds and not for value of hands.

I have real problems when I think someone is trying to bluff me. I always think they think I am weak and I have to stand up for myself. I won't fucking let them bet me off of the pot. Because if do then the whole table will be doing it. I came up with the following to try and combat it:

Play K hands and Q hands very aggressive because it is ahead of what the bluffers have on average cos their cards are bad.

So if I have K9 and someone riases twice in a row or someone raises big to take my blind I will reraise really really big. This is because I am scared they will bluff me later on in the hand. By betting lots before the flop I make them back off frpom my blinds and then after the flop I will bet at them because if they don't have a pair they will fold lots.

But sometimes they have cards and I feel stupid. But I can;t fucking take to be pushed over when I have king hand or a queen hand. What should I do about this problem I am having believing peoples bets and shoves. I fucking slow play them normally thats how Imade my $400 but now they don't bet unless I am weak and it makes me want to say "fuck you" you know?

Thank you for kind responses I will use converters next hand at the time of post.

Otter

This thread fails on just about every level. I'm sorry but OP cannot be serious. Anyone get the feeling we're being had?

Otter , my bankroll on stars is $144. I'm playing 5NL . Instead of telling everyone how good a player you are , just try doing what everyone is advising you and read the posts in the strategy section , especially concerning bankroll management. Once you have, you will realise that you don't know anything yet.
Remember, most of the good players will have played there way up through 5NL , 10NL,25NL 50NL and on to 100NL exercising proper bankroll management. At each level they will have played thousands of hands learning the game, how to play against every type of player.
As Parasurama said , he and they have done the time and have the experience. They queue up to get against fools who put all of there bankroll on the table and play at stakes far beyond their abilities.The fact that you got to 400$ was luck, the fact that you still have a roll is also luck .
I find it strange that you think that 50NL players think on a really low level and play hands dumb when you are playing one of the dumbest strategies going.

Epic post!

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

Otter , my bankroll on stars is $144. I'm playing 5NL . Instead of telling everyone how good a player you are , just try doing what everyone is advising you and read the posts in the strategy section , especially concerning bankroll management. Once you have, you will realise that you don't know anything yet.
Remember, most of the good players will have played there way up through 5NL , 10NL,25NL 50NL and on to 100NL exercising proper bankroll management. At each level they will have played thousands of hands learning the game, how to play against every type of player.
As Parasurama said , he and they have done the time and have the experience. They queue up to get against fools who put all of there bankroll on the table and play at stakes far beyond their abilities.The fact that you got to 400$ was luck, the fact that you still have a roll is also luck .
I find it strange that you think that 50NL players think on a really low level and play hands dumb when you are playing one of the dumbest strategies going.

Um yeah, what the $5NL player said.

Do not post another word until you read everything on this list:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...re-t36037.html