Idk about that. Maybe i was tilting after losing with hands like KK heaps but if i just check i save money when i dont hit either card. If i do hit either card im likely ahead of a lot of the range of hands 2NLers think it's good to limp with like JQ/JK, A-rag, small pockets. If i raise pre, these guys are like 60/8/20 loose donks so i'll likely pick up 3-4 callers anyway. So in this case i can play it like a drawing hand , kind of like setmining? I dont really wanna cbet against like 3 opps.