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 Originally Posted by mieczkowusc
Yes, I hit runner runner to take down a flopped flush or in laymen's terms, I sucked out. Villain was steaming after this, called me all sorts of names. However, he could have easily raised me harder on the flop, and bet the turn to get value from a worse diamond.
As played, yes, I made a mistake on the flop by calling the min-raise. However, I still think it was a reasonable call given what the villain usually would be showing up with, and compared to the villains mistake of checking the turn and calling a shove, my mistake is small in comparison.
Suppose he had check-raised me to a better size, say $3 or $3.50, I would be getting much worse odds to call (around 2:1), and it would set up a less than PSB on the turn. Even with the set of Aces, I can't profitably call a PSB on the turn.
Overall, the point I am trying to make is that when you make correct bet sizing choices and value bet correctly, you set yourself up for easier decisions on later streets. Conversely, when you make incorrect choices, you make your later street decisions harder.
Well, on that turn, he HAS to bet. And bet big. He has a flush. He knows you raised pre-flop so you might have pocket aces. An ace is on the board. You most likely have 10 outs. So you are calling 3-1 odds or better and are likely calling even with somewhat less than that because of implied odds.
If I can wax philosophical a moment here, I think a lot of mistakes on slowplay are caused by greed. You get a very good hand, you know the other guy might have a good hand and be willing to bet into you, and you want to stack him. Instead of thinking, I'm ahead, this guy may have outs to beat me, and I better make sure that he doesn't get a juicy price to call me down, even if it means that I risk inducing a fold and getting a lower payoff.
There is, of course, a time for greed in poker. But it isn't when your opponent has a 1 in 4 chance of sucking out on you.
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