How much to raise preflop to get out ace rag?

I'm playing at a .10/.25 table on full tilt...

I'm dealt KK in late position...the table goes around with 4 people calling the BB and no raises...i raise to 1.50 which is 6xBB and i get 3 callers...

Flop is 7 10 5 with the 10 and 5 being hearts...the very first caller goes all in for 17.50...i know it might have been a bad call by me...but i was sure he was on a draw...either straight or flush...most probably flush...and so i called...(maybe i shouldn't have?)

he "turns over" A 7 of hearts...turn is an ace which already beats me..and the river is a heart for a flush to beat me more....

how much does everyone raise to get rid of ace rag?...although they were sooted like the fish love...maybe i should of raised to 3.00 (12xbb?)...i dunno...but i was doing ok in ring tables...i stayed away from them for a long time cuz the bad beats cost a lot to me...

Nothing more you can do. If you're raising 6BB and getting that kinda action. Then getting that kinda action on the flop, you're right where you want to be.

You win money when you get action from weaker hands. Why you wouldn't want this is beyond me.

-'rilla

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Unfortunately at a .10/.25 table, very few people will look at your bet and say "holy shit!! he just raised 6x the BB!! I better fold." For the most part they are very inexperienced players that are there for fun and to gamble. They look at it as "only a dollar" to see the hand.

If you really want to get them out preflop, raise it to $3. But at a table like this, with players making raises like this after the flop, do you really want to chase them out preflop and only collect $1 for your kings?

You absolutely wanted this guy in this hand and your wet dream is for him to do what he did. You will take beats but will come out well ahead in the long run. I think you played the hand just fine and got unlucky. Regroup, be patient, and fire back.

Originally Posted by Ripptyde

sucks

That's right, hold out for , so you can make the flush too

The more i play the more i value learning the table texture. I used to like switching tables, but now i like getting to know what it takes to make people do what i want. sometime in the first few orbits raise on the button. or just watch everybody else pretty close. one of your goals when you first sit down should be to figgure out how much it costs to buy the blinds. On some tables, they can't be bought. Once you have that resolved you can scale the number back to the point where you'll only get 1 or 2 callers.

With that specific case, 4 limpers, there's allmost 6 big blinds in there before you bet, then when you raise, 3 more limp! pretty loose table, or lots of pocket pairs i suppose. With this many limpers you want to be thinking in terms of the pot size so far. 2 x the pot isn't unreasonable, you're the big favorite and somebody will probably call. heck, if they're that fishy, you could just go all in.

it's tricky figuring out how much to bet to keep one guy in and chase everybody else off. watch other people's raises, it'll give you some idea of where you stand.

Originally Posted by cartilago77

Unfortunately at a .10/.25 table, very few people will look at your bet and say "holy shit!! he just raised 6x the BB!! I better fold." For the most part they are very inexperienced players that are there for fun and to gamble. They look at it as "only a dollar" to see the hand.

If you really want to get them out preflop, raise it to $3. But at a table like this, with players making raises like this after the flop, do you really want to chase them out preflop and only collect $1 for your kings?

You absolutely wanted this guy in this hand and your wet dream is for him to do what he did. You will take beats but will come out well ahead in the long run. I think you played the hand just fine and got unlucky. Regroup, be patient, and fire back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and this probably wasn't what the fish was thinking, but isn't the fish a favorite to win this hand come the flop?

Whether he's facing top pair or an overpair, he can draw to A)two pair B) trips C) the flush. With two cards to come, the chances of him hitting something to win is slightly better than 50%. It's pretty much teh same as an OESFD.

So I wouldn't think that it would be the best thing to have this guy go all in on you on the flop all the time. Indeed, I think over the long run, you're losing. Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by whileone

Originally Posted by Ripptyde

sucks

That's right, hold out for , so you can make the flush too

I love suited cowboys.... :P

Originally Posted by ensign_lee

Originally Posted by cartilago77

Unfortunately at a .10/.25 table, very few people will look at your bet and say "holy shit!! he just raised 6x the BB!! I better fold." For the most part they are very inexperienced players that are there for fun and to gamble. They look at it as "only a dollar" to see the hand.

If you really want to get them out preflop, raise it to $3. But at a table like this, with players making raises like this after the flop, do you really want to chase them out preflop and only collect $1 for your kings?

You absolutely wanted this guy in this hand and your wet dream is for him to do what he did. You will take beats but will come out well ahead in the long run. I think you played the hand just fine and got unlucky. Regroup, be patient, and fire back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and this probably wasn't what the fish was thinking, but isn't the fish a favorite to win this hand come the flop?

Whether he's facing top pair or an overpair, he can draw to A)two pair B) trips C) the flush. With two cards to come, the chances of him hitting something to win is slightly better than 50%. It's pretty much teh same as an OESFD.

So I wouldn't think that it would be the best thing to have this guy go all in on you on the flop all the time. Indeed, I think over the long run, you're losing. Food for thought.

oops, you are right. Here are the odds at that point:

Cards %win %lose %tie Pot equity Odds
Ks Kc 48.38 51.62 0.00 48.40% 0.94:1
Ah 7h 51.62 48.38 0.00 51.60% 1.07:1

I didn't see that he hit the 7, not that it would make that big a difference (without the 7)

Cards %win %lose %tie Pot equity Odds
Ks Kc 53.74 46.26 0.00 53.70% 1.16:1
Ah 7h 46.26 53.74 0.00 46.30% 0.86:1

i think your problem here was having too many ppl see the flop.

befor any reads, is it very good play to call an allin at the flop with an overpair? Any ideas? I would put him on TP + flush draw, however possibly trips in which case your a major dog.