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    Default How to get on the river more value with my set of aces?

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
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    SB ($5.45)
    BB ($2.17)
    Hero (UTG) ($2)
    MP1 ($1.20)
    MP2 ($2)
    CO ($0.42)
    Button ($1.45)
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
    Hero bets $0.08, 4 folds, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold
    Flop: ($0.18) A, 2, 8 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18
    Turn: ($0.54) 9 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50
    River: ($1.54) 6 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.24 (All-In), 1 fold
    Total pot: $1.54
    Results:
    Hero had A, A (three of a kind, Aces).
    Outcome: Hero won $2.71

    Called the flop because op. seems like one thet will lead almost eny flop but fold to resistance. He is very agressive bad player.Looks like a flushdraw or any weak pair . Should I bet less on the river to get more value ?

    Max.
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    I'd raise the flop. If he also has a set money will get in no matter what. If he has a flush draw now is the time to get more money in. If he has some weak pair or air than there is no more value, he will give up by the turn anyway. Don't let him control the pot OOP.
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    Everyone will probably disagree with me but I think you got close to max value on that hand. You may have been able to raise a certain amount on the flop and then bet behind on the turn for a larger amount and maybe get a call. His range is fairly weak and you block out all the AdXd type flush draws...

    As played I'd probably bet smaller on the river and hope for some weird hero call, I expect a pot sized bet to get paid off here about never.
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    For what it's worth I agree with Pennywize, there wasn't much more you could get out him. Perhaps raising on the flop to 0.30 giving him 5.1 pot odds but that isn't much of a difference.
    I doubt that you could have got him to go all-in if that is what you were looking for.
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    77bb pot with top set in a HU pot. Seems like good value to me, but you should tank, then raise the flop. He's doing this with flush draws, sets, missed sets, and air.
    Last edited by StarGrinder; 07-20-2010 at 12:02 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    For what it's worth I agree with Pennywize, there wasn't much more you could get out him. Perhaps raising on the flop to 0.30 giving him 5.1 pot odds but that isn't much of a difference.
    I doubt that you could have got him to go all-in if that is what you were looking for.
    unless he had a draw that woulda b/c'ed the flop and c/c'ed a shove on the turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    unless he had a draw that woulda b/c'ed the flop and c/c'ed a shove on the turn.
    I'm not sure I follow you. That was what I meant by the raise on the Turn, if he was drawing for a flush. As for the Turn, we can see he didn't make his flush so why would he call a shove?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I'm not sure I follow you. That was what I meant by the raise on the Turn, if he was drawing for a flush. As for the Turn, we can see he didn't make his flush so why would he call a shove?
    Because he can make a flush...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I'm not sure I follow you. That was what I meant by the raise on the Turn, if he was drawing for a flush. As for the Turn, we can see he didn't make his flush so why would he call a shove?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    Because he can make a flush...?
    Yes? Diamonds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I'm not sure I follow you. That was what I meant by the raise on the Turn, if he was drawing for a flush. As for the Turn, we can see he didn't make his flush so why would he call a shove?
    Villain only needs about 30% equity to call a shove on the turn.
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    I think I'm missing something here.
    If you were Villain going for a flush draw, the Turn comes along and doesn't help you so you check, your opponent shoves, you would then call the shove?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I think I'm missing something here.
    If you were Villain going for a flush draw, the Turn comes along and doesn't help you so you check, your opponent shoves, you would then call the shove?
    No, but 80% of villains at 2nl will
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imthenewfish View Post
    No, but 80% of villains at 2nl will
    Exactly, let's say villain has a little bit of a clue and is putting our hero on a range. We know villain doesn't have pot odds to call but villain doesn't because he doesn't know what we hold. Even our "thinking" villain mistakenly could put us on too wide a range and trick himself into thinking he's good.

    Example

    If villain holds KdQd and puts hero on a range of:

    JJ+, Aqs+, AQo+, AdJd he has alittle more than 29% equity. He doesn't need to add very many combo's to make this a call.

    Hope I did that right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imthenewfish View Post
    No, but 80% of villains at 2nl will
    Really? Now that is something worth keeping an eye on.

    Quote Originally Posted by supahaole View Post
    If villain holds KdQd and puts hero on a range of:

    JJ+, Aqs+, AQo+, AdJd he has alittle more than 29% equity. He doesn't need to add very many combo's to make this a call.

    Hope I did that right
    I don't quite follow you here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadRussian90 View Post
    Called the flop
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadRussian90 View Post
    Looks like a flushdraw

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