Thanks everyone

Quote Originally Posted by Mezza Morta
Against an unknown, I'm folding TPTK to a 3-bet on the flop when stacks are deep. Call me a nit. Everything else is circumstantial.
Were not deep here. When I 3bet here, there was more in the pot then my stack.

Quote Originally Posted by sarbox68
...'cause by the time you've 3-bet him on the flop, you pretty much are...

Take this for the noobie 2cents it's worth... I spent more time than most at $10NL (over 225K hands...), and when it comes to TPTK type hands, I really think you're picking between two generally broad options -- play them hard, fast and for stacks or, unimproved, lean towards pot control and smaller pots. I say this as broad approach, recognizing all the it depends, opponent specific, board texture, reads, yadda yadda.

All that being said, and I'm prolly gonna get yelled at here, but I found naked TPTK to be a vulnerable hand at $10NL to play for stacks. So in my mind it was a choice...

1. Play 'em hard, fast and for stacks -- Advantage is taking money from fools stacking off w/ worse pairs and busted draws that don't improve by SD. Disadvantage is you will donk your stack into sets consistently, lose stacks to the "wish-a-flush" crowd, blah blah. This approach can be +EV, but higher volatility. Your hand here is a good example of this -- if I was vil I would have happily stacked off with a bunch of hands on this flop (66, JJ, AKs, AQs, AJ, Ax or Kx flush draw, Jx or 6x flush draw). Would play the line a bit different, but end result is the same.
2. Pot control unimproved -- Advantage is lower volatility and smaller losses. In this example, call the min-raise and re-evaluate on the Turn. Wouldn't save you from the boat in this case, but may make you think twice if a spade peels off or a Q etc. You have some room to move (and improve...) before committing. Disadvantage is you leave money on the table by giving up on TPTK hands where you really were ahead. This can also be +EV with less volatility.

Which is technically better long-term? F-k if I know... I think if you're okay with the way hands like this turn out, and are consistently aggressive w/ TPTK, your okay long-term at $10 but roll with the volatility. You don't like the volatility? Try considering TPTK as a "small pot" hand unimproved, and play it accordingly. Then this kinda sh!t is less bothersome...
It does help, a lot.
I like to play hard and fast a lot of the time and the variance doesnt bother me as Im properly rolled (54 bi atm, after a 6bi downswing). Im an option A guy I suppose. I think one of the attractions for me is that I know Im not a good post flop player so while im still working on pf game its nice to have most of my decisions made by the flop.

I guess playing it hard and fast with 100bb, you just cant avoid the sets. Amirite in thinking you need to slow it down with TPTK as you move up?

Quote Originally Posted by iopq
you got MINRAISED on the flop
that's a "hi, I have the nuts, what do you have" bet
Do you forget how $10NL plays?
Hand 2 here http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ns-t76129.html

Thanks 4 all the replies,
Plenty to chew on