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 Originally Posted by DavSimon
Turn comes.... don't remember the card (junk club) no appearant danger - I move all in - and get called.... River 6c - and I get smoked by this guy who had nothing but a pair of 2's on the flop - called two stong bets and caught two running clubs for a flush. WTF
Not sure how they caught a running flush with a 2 in the hole. The board popped 2c so even a club on the turn and river would add up to 4clubs.
 Originally Posted by DavSimon
Should I have really gone all in after the flop before I knew I was good....I keep losing with strong two pair against straight draws, flush draws, 3 of a kind DRAWS. I really have no idea what to do at this point.
Obviously in this situation, its always the best play. Now if you think they are drawing to 8-outs+, its good to raise anything above pot odds and make them pay. Now if you put them on a better hand (which is hard to know), allin is probably not good. All-in looks ok to me since you have top 2-pair. But there are probably better plays based on what you think you opp has.
(1) Opp has strong draw (8+ outs): Bet around pot odds. AI would make them fold and lower your pot winnings. Interestingly, some of their club outs give you a boat so you they actually have 7outs vs 9outs on the river. You might want to bet pot odds or lower to keep opp in. If you want to scare the out and take down the pot, you bet bigger.
(2) Opp has top pair: A good bet (around size of pot or more) vs allin is probably better. They will probably call any reasonable bet down to the river if they have ace pair or smaller 2-pair. An all-in mostly will scare any opp out.
(3) Opp has trips or better. They will not have the ace trips, so AI has a remote chance of making them folding with any other trips, not likely though. So all-in is probably not good since it maximizes your potential loss.
So based on these scenarios, Allin looks like a decent play but probably not the best play. Again, if the opp is known to call all-ins, it would be a good play.
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