Quote Originally Posted by satan1974

It's just the same as people who say they are "pot committed" in a tournament and throw away the game. Say you have 1000 chips, you've already bet 900 of them in to the current hand, by the time the river comes you _know_ you are beaten but you throw in your last 100 chips because you are "pot committed". Rubbish! Fold! You could double up twice and nearly be back to where you just were. Tournaments are about survival - and in a game where people are loose and rubbish, sit tight and let them knock each other out. So many times I've been sitting on a loose table and have literally folded my way in to the money without playing or calling a single hand - let the idiots knock themselves out, then wait for a premium hand and double up through the chip leader (who no doubt is in that position because of dumb luck!).

Sorry but I stand by my original comments - but acknowledge they are my opinions and everyone has the right to disagree. Hopefully the original poster will get something out of both of our replies and will give him something to think about.

Ok you got me there, this is a gross oversimplification and is also more applicable to cash games, but surely you can see that there is a point where the pot odds would demand that you call. Say you are getting those same 8:1 odds but this time you are a massive chip leader and all you have to put in is 1/8 of your stack to see the river. Surely now this must become a call. You wont be in any danger of losing the tournament if you lose, and that 1 time you win you will double your chips. Add to that the fact that every time you lose you are only adding a small fraction to the chips of the guy who wins the pot and every time you win (1/3 of the time) you are taking someone out who would have caught you up in chips had you not been in the hand and i cant see how your tournament equity doesnt increase more by calling. Now this situation is pretty unrealistic but similar, less extreme situations occur all the time.