Hey I'm new here

Hey I'm new to online poker. A friend referred me here. Zilla's friend. Name's Peter.

How do I get started? Where should I play? How does all this work? What do you guys recommend?

1) Read Books (Professional No-Limit Holdem for example)
2) Learn and Apply Concepts (SPR for example)
3) Earn money (IOPQ)

EZ Game.

Also, post your hands here on the board, try to include your opponents stats, and reads, and chew Zilla out for not telling you this stuff beforehand.

What's SPR and IOPQ?

doesn't matter... They are both gay.

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

doesn't matter... They are both gay.

PLUS ONE

Okay then

SPR = Stack to Pot ratio.. You will learn about this when you read PNL (professional no limit holdem).

IOPQ = a poster here on FTR. Who actually adamantly uses the acronym 'SPR' at every possible chance.

Hence, both gay. I would even say they both are cheating on each other with Ragnar, but that's just a rumor.

hahahaha Ragnar and IOPQ are going to get every new guy with the ole "SPR".

and then Spenda is gonna flip out

...be sure to ask about the freerolls.

...they're sponsored by the SPR....

Where can I read about the Professional No Limit? And Freerolls? What's a Freerolls?

Can someone explain Expected Value to me? It was explained to me as -100 x .5 and 210 x .5 then add those numbers together and you end with $5 and that is your EV. But what good is knowing the EV? How does one apply it? What does it represent? What if it was a negative EV? Does that mean I shouldn't play the pot?

Slow down buddy,get your hands on Harrington on holdem 1 2 and 3 for a good start on MTT play.Avoid cash play for a while till you can hold your own in a 9 man SnG.Play freerolls every hour at pitbull poker.A good site for a newbbie like you.Very soft player pool and freerolls all day and night.$10 can be had to try the site ask support when you sign up.My first profitable site when I was you.G.L.

Originally Posted by coyboy33

Avoid cash play for a while till you can hold your own in a 9 man SnG..

no.

EV is explained in the digest

Originally Posted by JKDS

Originally Posted by coyboy33

Avoid cash play for a while till you can hold your own in a 9 man SnG..

no.

EV is explained in the digest

Yes, avoid cash if you are a brand spanking new player like you seem to be.Ev is applied in cash and MTTs as well as freerolls.Don't be stupid and deposit at a site when you don't know what you're doing.Freeroll for a few months then try your hand at some $1 MTTs or SnGs.
EV is far beyond you for the moment.(Cart before the horse deal)Learn the rule of 4 and 2.Learn how to count outs properly.Join full tilt poker academy.Free poker learning videos are available there.
You're going to have guys push their own agenda here with out considering that you may not be able to lose $100 a week or worse 10 times that while you sit like a turtle waiting on the nuts on a cash table.Trust me as excited as you are that will bore the living sh!t outta you.Then when you are bored you will gamble, and pick up bad habits that will take forever to break.
Tournaments MTTs , SnGs and the blessed freeroll have a beginning a middle and an end unlike cash play.They pick up pace as they go along and you have a prize to win if you do well.All good things for a new guy.EV. hand strength etc. can all be learned in a freeroll type of MTT & much cheaper than even a .o1 /.o2 cent cash game.G.L.

Originally Posted by JKDS

Originally Posted by coyboy33

Avoid cash play for a while till you can hold your own in a 9 man SnG..

no.

EV is explained in the digest

Man you really went into detail on your deep answer. "No " ok then.Next time tell us why a newbbie shouldn't learn the game as cheaply as possible.I.E. freerolls & $1 SnGs, paid for from his freeroll winnings before he deposits."Digest" explaination of E.V, or not.

I'm not going to say that that's bad, because that's what I did, but I think if you have a couple of bucks to your name I wouldn't be determined to build a roll from freerolls because it can be a long grind. I'd just deposit the minimum and play the lowest stakes games.

Originally Posted by oskar

I'm not going to say that that's bad, because that's what I did, but I think if you have a couple of bucks to your name I wouldn't be determined to build a roll from freerolls because it can be a long grind. I'd just deposit the minimum and play the lowest stakes games.

I totally agree, I just think it sounds like he needs to get his feet wet a while for free.He's crispy new..!!!
Poker isn't learned in a day and as gung ho as he seems a deposit and quick loss of it could destroy him before he ever really gets going.I mean he asked "what's a freeroll?"How long is $100 gonna last him even at .05/.10....a day.. a week tops.Freeroll for experience new blood.Come join us in the real thing in 3 months or so.
Interesting side note:I was trying to remember what it was like in my first days online.I remember thinking a satellite was a poker tournament that players with the internet you get through a dish must be allowed to play.I.E. you couldn't play one unless you had this type of hookup.ROTF.I had this believe far too long because I was afraid I'd be seen as stupid to ask about it.So your'e ahead of me kid at least you have no fear of others judging you.G.L.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...y-posts-98125/

[quote="coyboy33"]

Originally Posted by JKDS

Originally Posted by coyboy33

Avoid cash play for a while till you can hold your own in a 9 man SnG..

no.

EV is explained in the digest

Yes, avoid cash if you are a brand spanking new player like you seem to be.Ev is applied in cash and MTTs as well as freerolls.

/quote]

NO. sngs and mtt are NOT necessarily easier than cash games and can actually be much harder if you dont know what you're doing. To be successful at a 1c2c cash game you really only need a starting hand chart while you need at least some kind of intuitive understanding of ICM in order to be any good at sng's and mtts. Arguing and shoving tournaments down this guys throat because you find them more entertaining dont mean dick. Theres an argument that because of spr (o snap) that they may be since there is usually no river action but lol at not pointing that out and just saying you love them to death and cant play cash games to save your life.

in reality, for a noobie choosing a game this is all there is to say

Cash games
-have fish
Mtts
-have fish
Sngs
-have fish

pick one to start out, go to the proper forum, and learn the shit out of it. ask questions post hand histories and i promise you wont be part of the .001% of players that find this forum and lose their entire roll in a week. to start, the most basic stuff that applies is in this forum, in the digest.

[quote="coyboy33"]

Originally Posted by oskar

\How long is $100 gonna last him even at .05/.10....a day.. a week tops.

bankroll management

LOL @ how far this thread went.

[quote="JKDS"]

Originally Posted by coyboy33

Originally Posted by JKDS

Originally Posted by coyboy33

Avoid cash play for a while till you can hold your own in a 9 man SnG..

no.

EV is explained in the digest

Yes, avoid cash if you are a brand spanking new player like you seem to be.Ev is applied in cash and MTTs as well as freerolls.

/quote]

NO. sngs and mtt are NOT necessarily easier than cash games and can actually be much harder if you dont know what you're doing. To be successful at a 1c2c cash game you really only need a starting hand chart while you need at least some kind of intuitive understanding of ICM in order to be any good at sng's and mtts. Arguing and shoving tournaments down this guys throat because you find them more entertaining dont mean dick. Theres an argument that because of spr (o snap) that they may be since there is usually no river action but lol at not pointing that out and just saying you love them to death and cant play cash games to save your life.

in reality, for a noobie choosing a game this is all there is to say

Cash games
-have fish
Mtts
-have fish
Sngs
-have fish

pick one to start out, go to the proper forum, and learn the shit out of it. ask questions post hand histories and i promise you wont be part of the .001% of players that find this forum and lose their entire roll in a week. to start, the most basic stuff that applies is in this forum, in the digest.

All good points.I never really thought of it like that.The ICM point is definatly a good point.I was trying to get him in the game and not broke the 1st day.Now that answer beats a 1 word post.Guess it would depend on what he's really wanting to learn 1st.Cash/MTT...i think we both know he will play both and lose at both for a while.Thx for the indepth answer this time.I def see your points, all good ones.There's got to be more than one way to get to the desired end result.P.S. I've never seen a free to enter cash game in 3 plus years online versuses Free to enter MTTS with real cash prizes.Free vs deposit...free is cheaper aint it?But if a deposit seems the way to go for you, do it.He did ask what a freeroll was,I think playing a few will clear it right up for him.

I just notoiced after reading your reply a 2nd time you like to put words in my mouth I never actually said."Just saying you love em to death and can't play cash games to save your life..." for instance.Plus I said try Mtts and freerolls 1st didn't say never ever play cash...;Where did I say any of that?Try answering the guys Question with more than a word and make your own point with this answer as I did.Quotes me says simply "no" then flys away..that was helpful.Guess if you don't want to type a reply that's the easy way out and sure makes you feel like you did a good deed to boot I bet...Helped a noobie and corrected an inferrior player all with one god like word.."NO"...lmao,

What's ICM? Where can I try out these types of games you guys are talking about? Freerolls? Cash Games? MTTs? SnGs? I downloaded and made an account on Pokerstars last night but I haven't played yet because I've been reading the beginner's guide. http:// beginner-poker.flopturnriver. com/ I only finished this morning.

I like pitbull poker for freerolls.One every hour there.google poker/ICM.I C M stands for independant chip model.A system invented by Mike Carro, I believe with final table MTT play in mind.Just A math only view if you should push a hand preflop based on stack size in relation to opponents stack size blind size and position.Very good for single table SnGs.

Okay, so... This thread has went everywhere, and I'm pretty inclined to lock it. However, I realize that OP is quite new to poker, and I don't want him feeling as if he can't ask questions. However, the majority of his answers can be found elsewhere on the site.

So... 3Lem3nT, we have a search feature here on FTR that once used can lead you to the answer of numerous of your questions, not to mention there is this wonderful site called www.google.com , in which has loads of information to your most basic questions (What is a freeroll? What is ICM?). So please use those as your first attempt to find answers to your questions. If you can't find information through either google or the FTR search feature, then come to the forums and create a thread asking your questions. Remember though, you are likely not the first individual to have these thoughts, so there is most likely a thread dedicated to your question already out there

As far as all of the other debate, regarding MTT/Freeroll/Cash/etc, obviously it's not wise for new players to deposit any reasonable sum of money online and play blindlessly. However, a new player should be dedicating more time to studying than to playing in the beginning. So it would not be unreasonable for him to deposit $50 and play 2nl cash. Likewise, it is not unreasonable for him to play around with play money or freerolls in order to learn the very basics of poker (hand strength, betting sequences, etc) if he doesn't already know that. In the end it's really his decision whether he wants to play micro stakes cash/mtts/sngs/freerolls/play money.

So to 3Lem3nt, it's up to you what you want to play. If you don't want to put money into a poker site just yet, then play some play money or freerolls until you feel comfortable to put real money on. If you want to play for real money right away (it's not a bad thing), then deposit say $50 on Pokerstars and play 2nl ($0.01/$0.02). Keep in mind though, that you aren't guarenteed to win, and therefore you could lose the $50, so only deposit with that in mind.

Either way, this thread is about done for imo. Hopefully, OP will begin searching for his questions first before creating a thread about it.

Alrighty, Thanks.

No problem. Good luck. And seriously, I'm not meaning don't post your questions on here. It's just this forum has been around for quite some time, and there has been threads dedicated to ICM, freerolls, etc, so none of those questions are new. So you can find answers to those types of questions elsewhere. If you have a question regarding a hand, or a situation, or thoughts about things poker related that either hasn't been discussed before or it might be better to discuss further, then by all means create a thread for it (like if after reading about ICM some, you still don't understand it, the post your questions).

Some quick tips

1) Read the beginners digest thread at the top of this forum throughly.
2) Watch Big Spenda's micro stakes videos.
3) Use the search feature, you can also go to people's profiles to find all the threads they've ever made.
4) If you play cash start off with play money for a little bit, then grind 2NL (0.01c/0.02c).
5) http://www.flopturnriver.com/Bankrol...ement-101.html

welcome guy.

I new in here too. Loking some topics.

Amazing forum.

Originally Posted by 3LeM3nT

What's ICM? Where can I try out these types of games you guys are talking about? Freerolls? Cash Games? MTTs? SnGs? I downloaded and made an account on Pokerstars last night but I haven't played yet because I've been reading the beginner's guide. http:// beginner-poker.flopturnriver. com/ I only finished this morning.

The fact that you have enough patience to read a beginners guide before you play when I can see that you are amped up to play poker bodes well for your future as a poker player.Stax is right this thread is dead just wanted to welcome you to poker and I hope you make a decent bank roll however you decide to start.G.L.

I'm almost embarrassed to be a part of this thread.

I'm going to make an offer here to the original poster. As you are so new to the game I'll do a sweat session with you.What this means is that you download some software and you can then watch me play and I'll talk you through why i'm making the bets I am and you can ask questions etc. Basics you'll need are a headset with microphone .
With my style of play I may not be the best to show you how to play, but its better than sitting there without a clue what you are doing. One big advantage it will give you is that you won't start out by developing some really horrendous habits that are hard to break as you learn more about the game.

Get your ass into IRC

I am good at recognizing winners. You are a winner.

This is because you will play tight- only very good hands and pairs. Also you dont bluff much and thats awesome.

Another thing that makes you a winner is that you dont call preflop raises with AJ and worse.

At least this will give you a good start.

Discipline was the first skill I honed to perfection. I rushed through the stakes without any experience- just a very solid theoretical basis.

Keith is giving you an excellent deal. Take it.

What the hell, go to the sticky that I hope is still in the community forums and get in IRC. Do this, improve, repeat, so ez.

Don't want to hijack this thread but .....

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

I'm going to make an offer here to the original poster. As you are so new to the game I'll do a sweat session with you.What this means is that you download some software and you can then watch me play and I'll talk you through why i'm making the bets I am and you can ask questions etc. Basics you'll need are a headset with microphone .
With my style of play I may not be the best to show you how to play, but its better than sitting there without a clue what you are doing. One big advantage it will give you is that you won't start out by developing some really horrendous habits that are hard to break as you learn more about the game.

If someone is prepared to do this, i would be more than happy to download whatever i need to get involved. I, too, am new, and have gotten a lot out of some of the video's (any other recommendations for someone playing NL low stakes and SnG ?), but would love to go live (so to speak) with someone actually playing, and prepared to answer some Q's on the go.

Thanks.

Regards
kolonel

xxStackxx,you said a day or two ago that this thread has went everywhere and you were inclined to lock it...Please do.Why is this thing still on fire.LMAO.Check out my video on poker stars lying to my wife about the e-check seizure by the N.Y. states attorney.It actually has proof of P.Stars lying about it.I never thought P.Stars would stoop to the level of Full Tilt and U.Bet, as well as absolute but here's the proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpTGsuc_hK4

Originally Posted by kolonel

If someone is prepared to do this, i would be more than happy to download whatever i need to get involved. I, too, am new, and have gotten a lot out of some of the video's (any other recommendations for someone playing NL low stakes and SnG ?), but would love to go live (so to speak) with someone actually playing, and prepared to answer some Q's on the go.

Thanks.

Regards
kolonel

No response from the OP so ........I'm free tonight probably 8.30gmt until 1ish . SOftware you will need is mikogo, skype. pm me your skype details.make sue you have a heaset as well as a seperate mic and speakers cause feedback.

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

Originally Posted by kolonel

If someone is prepared to do this, i would be more than happy to download whatever i need to get involved. I, too, am new, and have gotten a lot out of some of the video's (any other recommendations for someone playing NL low stakes and SnG ?), but would love to go live (so to speak) with someone actually playing, and prepared to answer some Q's on the go.

Thanks.

Regards
kolonel

No response from the OP so ........I'm free tonight probably 8.30gmt until 1ish . SOftware you will need is mikogo, skype. pm me your skype details.make sue you have a heaset as well as a seperate mic and speakers cause feedback.

Awesome Keith. I will pick up the gear at work tomorrow and pm you to organise times. I am in Oz, so the time difference will be huge, but if you are willing to do this, i will make it happen. Definately take you up on it tho. Speak to you soon.

Regards
kolonel

Just realised i need 10 posts to Pm or Email you. Are you usually on the same time each night ?

Regards
kolonel

looks like you just hit 10 posts

Oh hey sorry, I haven't been on lately. Was at my cousin's graduation. Yah, if you could let me watch you play sometime that'd be great. Is that even possible? What do I need to download?

Still on fire.Wonders never cease.Good luck.You attract attention it seems so you're gonna be famous can you send me an autographed picture now b4 it happens and I'm serious as a heart attack.I can spot fame a mile away.P.M. me for my address.

I'm doing the sweat with Kolonel tonight if you want to join in at 11pm ish uk time if thats ok with you are free to join in. Depends where you are located. You'll need skype and mikogo

Originally Posted by coyboy33

Still on fire.Wonders never cease.Good luck.You attract attention it seems so you're gonna be famous can you send me an autographed picture now b4 it happens and I'm serious as a heart attack.I can spot fame a mile away.P.M. me for my address.

Lol. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

I'm doing the sweat with Kolonel tonight if you want to join in at 11pm ish uk time if thats ok with you are free to join in. Depends where you are located. You'll need skype and mikogo

I live in Washington State. Pacific Time -8 GMT. So I was actually asleep at 11pm your time. Sorry.

Just would like to personally thank Keith for the time he took out to run me through a bit of guidance last night. It is quite a good insight into how some of the players on here have there style of play, and how it can be adapted to different levels of play.

We took a bit of a beat on a couple (sucked out on the river twice on all-in), but i persisted, and just fell short of a break even for the day.

3LeM3nT : it is definately worth doing a sweat session, as there are so many questions that can be answered whilst playing live. Even in the short period Keith has been playing, i found his help most useful, and will look to building on it in the near future.

Thanks again Keith.

Regards
kolonel

In a way it was probably one of the best starts to ring play that you could get. You were unlucky but when the money went in you were ahead, over the long run doing that will make you money. The number of junk hands that were tossed that ended up which would have won were also a blessing in disguise as well.If that had happened whilst you were playing on your own, its most likely that you would then have started playing those junk hands , winning with them and then having positive feedback and in the long run losing money from playing junk.
Another thing that will make a big difference is that you now know that you don't want to be playing a big pot with a mediocre hand or playing a small pot with a big hand.Discussing where the opponents had made bad bet sizes and the reasons why will help you, just as much as telling you what the right bet size for your hand is.
Its good to know that you finished up nearly even after the bad beats that you took and hopefully some of the advice will continuie to sink in and by following it and getting success will bring its own positive feedback and reassure you that you are doing the right things.
Good luck and hopefully we'll be doing some follow up sessions.

Thanks again Keith.

I ended up downloading holdem software, just going to sit down and work my way through it. Will search the forums on here to find some good advice on setup.

I have worked out the graphing side to it.

Let the rollercoaster ride begin.



Regards
kolonel

Originally Posted by coyboy33

xxStackxx,you said a day or two ago that this thread has went everywhere and you were inclined to lock it...Please do.Why is this thing still on fire.LMAO.Check out my video on poker stars lying to my wife about the e-check seizure by the N.Y. states attorney.It actually has proof of P.Stars lying about it.I never thought P.Stars would stoop to the level of Full Tilt and U.Bet, as well as absolute but here's the proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpTGsuc_hK4

Shameless plug ftw.

Originally Posted by indovinajo

I also am new here. Today me uni to this site(place) but me to play poker. I play in poker stars. Does someone know when there is FTR's tournament in poker stars?

What?