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    Default HEM2 Hud options, cash games

    Hey guys was wondering what is really essential to have on the HUD for cash games?

    At the moment I have

    BB/ Total hands played / VPIP / PFR

    Just kept it simple to learn a few at a time, what ones would you suggest adding in?

    Thanks

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    I'm of the opinion that you'll know when you want more, and you shouldn't rush it. Concentrating on VPIP / PFR alone for a while is worthwhile.
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    depends. what game are you playing? 6max or FR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFerguson91 View Post
    Hey guys was wondering what is really essential to have on the HUD for cash games?

    At the moment I have

    BB/ Total hands played / VPIP / PFR

    Just kept it simple to learn a few at a time, what ones would you suggest adding in?

    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by euphoricism View Post
    I'm of the opinion that you'll know when you want more, and you shouldn't rush it. Concentrating on VPIP / PFR alone for a while is worthwhile.
    Was thinkin man I am tryin to beat the micros aka 2nl atm so I am not even goin to worry about anything else other than vpip and pfr, until I move up the stakes into a more complicated game, (which might take a while) keeping it nice and simple


    I always play tables with 9 players dude I stay away from 6 max just
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    What do you find yourself wishing you knew about the other guy when you are making a decision?

    I have yours +
    + 3Bet & Fold to 3Bet
    + Steal & FSteal
    + CBet and FCbet
    + SD when saw Flop & Agg Factor (I don't really understand how to use these two properly)

    I'm starting to think some Turn stats would be good and I look at Squeeze but the samples are so low and I can check that on the popup quite easily. I haven't got around to customising my popups and I still find it useful to have my stats labelled.

    I'd like but couldn't find/identify a 'response to Squeeze' stat and a 'likely to 3B Bluff stat'.
    I haven't looked for but wondered about a 'positionally aware' stat: something like Open (CO+Btn)/EP might do it.

    I also haven't identified a straight stack size number which would let me position my Opaque HUD right over their name displays on the table.
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    the best thing is think of what you need to know on the fly. my hud looks like this
    NAME/HANDS
    VPIP/PFR/3B/F23B
    4B/F24B
    STL/F2STL/RESTL
    WTSD%/CBET/F2CBET/X-RCBET





    This is for 6max

    it looks like a lot, but it has all the imformation for 90% of my decision making, now if I get into a sticky spot then ill go to one of my pop outs. preflop,steal,postflop because I grouped all the stats that have the same popout together (besides 4b). I started with a few tables at a time and slowly added more, until I was comfortable with this setup. I also keep it written on a piece of paper leaning against my monitor until I learn them. now I know them without having to think and that makes me play better which = money.

    *edit*
    when your playing 6-12 tables, having 3 or 4 stats and having to go into popouts all the time is frustrating and time comsuming which will cost you in patience and mental game throughout the session.
    Last edited by acg123; 02-14-2015 at 10:11 AM.
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    A positionally aware stat I think would just have to come straight from your head and noting their ranges from different positions, correct me if I am wrong but, I guess any stakes above the micros you would expect most to be positionally aware

    Yeah the 3bet and fold to 3bet is an important one, the steal and fsteal as well but for them I would just look at the pop up instead of having them on my hud atm
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    At the micros, people either steal way too often or nowhere near often enough. I don't think you'll be making much money off of this situation at the micros. It's a spot that's very likely to have you putting poor reads on someone to make loose calls. I suggest putting this off as a study point for the time being. Think about it, but focus on other things.

    Beating the micros is about finding FAT value, not thin value. The thin value is good, but the fat value is where you really pad your BR.

    VPIP/PFR is going to converge on a meaningful value faster than any other stats... which means that you only need a thousand or so hands before the stat becomes trustworthy as opposed to tens of thousands of hands, which you need to trust a 3-bet stat.

    Inb4 people say those stats are useful. They are useful, but the error bars on them are very wide when you have a small sample.

    Personally, I think everyone is at least a little bit positionally aware now-a-days. If nothing else, people have different opening ranges for UTG vs. BTN... so they are at least a little aware of position PRE.

    This makes VPIP/PFR even more important stats, if you have enough hands on someone to show their positional stats (I.e. VPIP/PFR from UTG), then you'll be able to really pin down their opening ranges.

    Personally, I think it's easy to see too much in the stats and that stats are absolutely unnecessary to beat the micros.
    Somewhere around 25NL, where someone could potentially earn a living on playing poker, that's where the fields get serious and many are using stats to pay the bills.
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    I like to know when someone is stealing way too often and folding to 3Bets or hardly at all and has the goods. Surely that's precisely where the information is most useful (also playing a lot of ZOOM so I have to get it from the HUD as it won't be obvious as it would be on a normal table). It's true that stealing isn't that big an earner compared to other things though.

    It makes sense to learn to use your stats at the micros though surely.


    I feel oddly that I'm not using anywhere near the customisation available from HM2 and simultaneously that it's not as adaptable as I'd like it to be
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    Toss me up a handful of stats and I'll tell you the error bars.
    I need to know the %-age and the number of hands that contribute to that %-age.

    I.e. a 3-bet stat of 33% with 6 opportunities to 3-bet.
    The stat is 33%, but 95% confidence says the actual value will converge to something between
    9.7% and 70%

    So how useful is that 33% when there's only 6 in the samples?

    OK, so let's say you had the same 33%, but after 60 samples.
    The stat is still 33%, but 95% confidence says the actual value will converge to something between
    22.7% and 45.9%

    So you see it's better, but that's still a very wide range.

    OK, so let's say you had the same 33%, but after 600 samples.
    The stat is still 33%, but 95% confidence says the actual value will converge to something between
    29.7% and 37.2%

    Finally, we're starting to see a range narrow enough to trust.
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    I have actually turned my hud off for the micros, it was putting me off and I was looking at my own stats too much, and I have been doing much better!

    Reading about the fat value as well the other day and just to play like an absolute rock waiting on the big hands is the way to do it!

    Completely shrinking my range, with the odd 3 bet thrown in when someone blatently tries to steal my blinds seems to work an awful lot

    Although today I am -$6 as none of my big hands have worked out for me running into sets and the likes, but I just smiled and turned pokerstars off for the day haha
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    Taking Keiths advice and playing in the $400 / $500 / $700 tourneys etc for buy ins of $0.40 and less
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    MMM: I'd say being confident his 3bets were over 20% was pretty darn useful: you have to be aware there's a substantial error bar but that's still a useful stat to my mind.

    I'm surprised the 6 sample 95% doesn't reach lower though (and I suppose it would if you account for the chance you caught him doing something unusual whether because he had a read or just felt whimsical). Certainly I wouldn't be confident that 2/6 was in any way representative: clearly the chance of it having been AA, KK is under 5% but the chances of someone you see with 2/6 or similar having had AA, KK is rather higher.


    Very often I'm much more concerned with one end of the error bar than the other too:
    - "He's loose not tight" is more important than exactly how loose he is
    - "He folds enough for me to always bluff profitably" is more important than how profitable the bluff is (I'm doing it anyway)

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