i don't see limping to a raise as weak with jacks. jacks are just one of those marginal hands. I did nothing but limp with jacks for a while, and i don't really think i won any less because of it. if i'm going to rely on repping aa, i'd rather do it with 47o and save JJ for set value. recently i started raising it regularly, just because it was another hand i might as well steal with from mp-lp. i actually agree with rilla's outline on this one.