First an inquiry: In the beginners circle, do you think it to be important that stated facts are true? Consider policy reasons, such as the effect erroneous details might have on new posters reading the same thread.

i guess my ignorance is showing... no more posts pretending to know something i obviously dont.

Second, it appears you've discovered one of the many essential details that makes general poker allegations false. Namely, position and reads matters when discussing hand strength.

the classic, "it depends" answer...


-It matters what you mean by "play" in reference to which hands to play.

i guess i meant either open raise or call a raise. limping would be bad if you would fold to a raise. reraising with out knowing your opponents tendencies would get you stacked in a hurry


-The range you give of hands to fold can very much be expanded. Consider whether AT is playable in the above fact pattern? KJ? 87s? 77? TT? All of these hands are excluded from the sample set you gave, but does that mean they should be played?

Im more of a tournament player than full ring, but with that said against unknown opponents i would be careful as to which hands to play until i have some idea as to how each plays.

no matter what i need to study more...