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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyBuz View Post
    I've had moderate success doing it if I am in position.
    huh, i have great success doing it in position
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    1st up - nice work op for continuing to post hands where you know you're going to get criticised. And kudos for continuing to identify errors in post-play analysis/review.
    These type of hands and analysis are probably far more useful than 'shall i fold my set/flopped flush' type of hands that are pretty much irrelevant until you reach the point where you fix the big leaks.

    re ranges
    1 - preflop you can just put him on a nut range and fold without history
    2 - flop, you forgot to include flushes, sets (99), and overpairs in villain's flop betting range - obviously he is c-betting all of these
    3 - again, his range is still way stronger than you suggest. re-run stove against a range of AhK, 99+, KhQh, AhQh, AhKh
    4 - yep, you're screwed. Fold here is the second good play of the hand (first was stealing from LP with KJo).

    re actions during the hand
    1 - you can open to 2.5x or 3x instead of 4x when stealing from button.
    2 - you can fold to the 3b, even vs the optimistic range you gave him you're in all sorts of trouble even before factoring the huge problem of being RIO-fucked
    3 - fold to flop c-bet. Your flush draw is to the 4th nuts, you aren't even happy if you hit and he keeps betting. Your overs are crap cos you aren't happy stacking off even if you hit a jack.
    4 - you talk about pot odds to call to the flush draw, your call is even worse than your calculations suggest given that you are calling to a hand that is still going to lose often when you hit
    5 - you're counting odds on the turn without considering that most of these outs are not clean = are definitely not giving you confidence that your hand is nut when you hit. Drawing to non-nut outs is a far different game than drawing to the nuts.

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