irc convo below, some edits for continuity and correction
<TheLongGrind> lawl getting it on turn when u know his range are sets and board pairs seems avoidable
<daven> ^ that's the point
<daven> or is it?
<daven> his range isn't sets
<daven> i defined his range
<daven> it includes sets
<daven> as well as tptk/flushes/two pair
<Carrotz> calling can be better, depends on bb
<daven> ^ cool
<daven> post why in the thread?
<daven> maybe keep bb in?
<daven> i guess
<daven> but is it about a neutral ev decision call vs shove?
<daven> given that we can't fold vs utg on a 7 turn
<Carrotz> causing bbs continiing range to be wider is prolly more significant than the few turns you lose value by calling flop vs the few combos of sets utg can have
<daven> -> i more often make more money out of bb when i flat than the money i occasionally lose on a shitty turn?
<daven> is that better
<Carrotz> geting bb to continue with like AxJh and two pair maybe even like top pair if hes bad
<Carrotz> but if bb is good enough to jus fold top pairs then I like jus shoving
<Carrotz> depends on bb
<daven> remember that utg isn't able to fold anything in his range
<Carrotz> whats bb stats?
<Carrotz> reads etc
<Carrotz> if hes like a tag I think hes jus folding everything that isnt sets and flushes and getting it in otherwise
<Carrotz> if hes a fish Id flat
<Carrotz> if hes a reg or semi decent Id jus ship
<Carrotz> cos if hes a not retarded I dont think you can widen his range much if at all by flatting
<daven> tiny sample lag 30-20 but that's exaggerated by AA twice in 75 hands and the opportunity to 40% steal
<daven> might actually be ok
<daven> hasn't done anything stupid at all
<Carrotz> yeah seems regish
<Carrotz> and he can't have any good flush draws with pairs
<daven> and even managed a bet-fold that looked good vs his likely range and the villain concerned
<Carrotz> thinks it pretty safe to say then that hes either folding regardless of what you do or getting it in regardless with any flush or set
<Carrotz> cant see this guy not folding top pair or even like A7
<Carrotz> utg can have some stupid AxJhshit
<Carrotz> or A7
<Carrotz> A9
<Carrotz> and felt
<Carrotz> think getting it in before the turn is another heart is more crucial
<Carrotz> like thats only like 1/6 turns or something
<Carrotz> but still its close enough that I think thatsways it to a ship
<Carrotz> however if bb is a fish then keeping him in is more valuable
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