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 Originally Posted by Robb
Originally Posted by Pelion
The idea of the turn and river playing themselves is misleading imo. A better thing to say would be turn and river play are too complicated to go into in depth in one email and your play will develop with your understanding of the game.
Yea the turn and river are by far the hardest streets to play. I think at low stakes though most of your opponents are so bad that even if you suck at turn and river play you can turn a profit by just playing a decent starting hand chart and not folding good hands too often.
They're hard to play, but at 10nl and less, it's really what Fnord calls "two street bingo." If a solid open raise and 2/3's cbet won't get 'em to fold, they're effectively all in. So the only real decisions you have to make are preflop and flop. Basically, if you're not pretty sure you're ahead (again, at 10nl and less), you need check/ fold the turn/ river. No bluffs, no semibluffs without MAJOR outs.
So I kind of agree with WilburForce - it's two street bingo, and with half the players not having full stacks, you rarely have anything like a hard decision on turn/ river if you're agro enough pre and on the flop.
The exception to this is draws. I repeatedly see players at 2NL and 5NL calling pot sized bets on the flop AND TURN with FD, OESD and even a gutshot. They often fold to even a minbet on the river if the draw misses.
(Or they hit it and suck you out, like the fish last night who got it all in on the flop with TPGK against my set and hit a runner-runner straight. Cost me two buy-ins.)
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