Quote Originally Posted by XTR1000
Quote Originally Posted by Erpel
I'm the kind of guy who'd be tempted to stab at the flop, because I expect the button opening range to be wide enough to contain more than just aces, but I spew. On the turn raise I agree with the fold also. If memory serves the raise was pretty quick aka an easy decision (Edit: on video review it wasn't that quick - more like 5 secs). So either he has a monster, was greatly improved by the turn, or something that in a certain light looks like a monster (and in some cases slowplayed the flop). So AA, 88, 66, 33 are all in his range, as is AcXc. Not really much he'd raise with that we can reliably say we are ahead of except maybe 9c7c or 7c5c - this should be an easy fold
Thanks for your input. I somehow disagree with you on this hand tho. First off, if we bet this flop, we´d do it for value, since we can´t expect him to fold JJ-KK/Ax all that often. And on an A-high flop we can assume, that the number of weaker hands which he cbets is greater than those he´d call a donk with. Secondly, I think his turn range barely contains clubs or sets. Wouldnt make too much sense for a FD to wait for their equity to be cut in half, while AA/88 need to build a pot when their range is perceived to be the widest.
You are very right. I am very wrong. Hmm.

Hmm again - I may even have misread the hand to us being the aggressor or something. It makes no sense to donk this flop. You're also right on the flush draws and sets having a mandatory bet on the flop. I still think some players at my limits play bad in the way I describe, but this isn't the micros and we'd have to assume he'd have done the mandatory bet here. I just don't like defining his range as narrowly as 66/86. He could spaz with JJ/QQ, but surely Ax is in our range when we bet. I would probably want to add A6 to his range at least. The reason I thought of flush draws was that I thought his raise range should contain both hands that want to build a big pot as well as hands that need fold equity to be profitable (C range hands - hands with equity/outs but which do not rate to be favourites). Right now I just can't think of any hands in the second category.