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  1. #1

    Default Good fold?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    UTG+1 (t335)
    MP1 (t1685)
    MP2 (t1355)
    CO (t3065)
    Button (t3300)
    Hero (t1505)
    BB (t1390)
    UTG (t1040)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    UTG raises to t1040, UTG+1 calls t335 (All-In), MP1 raises to t1685, 2 folds, Button calls t1685, 2 folds.

    Flop: (t4895) , , (4 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: (t4895) (4 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t4895) (4 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: t4895

    Final pot was won by KK
  2. #2
    With that many people all in I think a fold is good here. Your equity goes up just by watching people get knocked out and with that many people allin i think theres a good chance someone else has one of your aces. It really comes down to how well you know the players but I think a fold here is almost always correct.

    then again... i dont play tournaments.
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  3. #3
    With this action I dont hate a fold, but I dont think calling would be bad either, its getting late in the tourney and people are getting desperate. If button hadnt called [he had a bigger stack] then Id probably call. If we were shorter stacked Id also probably call. I havent played tournies in awhile though.
  4. #4
    AKs would usually be an auto call for me, especially if I have the others covered (which you don't). After all, how many hands are dominating you? Only AA and KK, you even slightly ahead of QQ! With two poeple going all-in ahead of you and, let's say, 10 people to go bust before getting ITM, yes I would fold this.

    And: The board displayed is not relevant as ou are looking at your odds preflop!
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  5. #5
    In this situation, with the shorter stacks, calling isn't so bad since you will be in the hunt for side pots and a main pot... but I'm folding this a majority of the time.

    You are in no way desperate yet, you still have 15 bbs. An UTG push, shortie call, and a MP push... I really don't want to toss my stack in here. I think this is a good fold.
  6. #6
    Just for example, let's put UTG and MP1 on a range here. I am not going to be able to get a complete accurate range as I do not have reads...

    Let's just run your best case scenario, you have them both dominated:

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 55.6495 % 54.41% 01.24% { AdKd }
    Hand 2: 23.5212 % 22.28% 01.24% { AQs, AQo }
    Hand 3: 20.8293 % 19.59% 01.24% { AJs, AJo }

    You're practically flipping here, and I like to avoid coinflips if possible in sngs.

    Now I'm going to make a range for them, and if you think this range isn't appropriate let me know.. like I said before I don't know how they were playing. Since this is beginners forum I'm going to assume the buyin was 11 or less, and the players might be a bit looser:

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hero: 36.1086 % 31.19% 04.92% { AdKd }
    UTG: 25.8787 % 23.99% 01.89% { 66+, A9s+, KJs+, A9o+, KJo+ }
    MP1: 38.0128 % 34.11% 03.90% { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }

    One might argue that mp1's range should be a little wider, but I can't come to that conclusion without reads. A push over a push is generally at least a pair, or maybe AK, even at the lower levels.

    Just one last scenario, even if they both have an under pair and you have 2 big live suited cards:

    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 39.5989 % 39.48% 00.12% { AdKd }
    Hand 2: 30.2005 % 29.75% 00.45% { QQ-22 }
    Hand 3: 30.2005 % 29.75% 00.45% { QQ-22 }

    Worse than a coinflip.

    I think you should lay this down here.

    EDIT - Wow I didn't even notice button's cold call here... I only did ranges on UTG and MP1... the fact that button calls here imo makes this a very easy laydown... AKs against 4 hands?? No thanks....

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