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one more question about the c/c river...
i still dont see why we dont shove over...since we accomplished our goal of inducing the bet?
you ALREADY have the $88 he bet. once you check, and he fires, you know you have the $88 he bet. you have NOTHING to lose by going for the rest. you are either winning the $88 against the 8 combos of hands you mentioned, or losing YOUR $88 with the 4 combos that beat you.
besides, the pot is $265 now. villain put in $120 of his own. and has about $190 left...he has you covered. if you shove over with the remaining $100, how can he fold all but the bigger trash holdings? and, if he folds.....SO WHAT? you already HAVE the $88 of bonus money. if you only call his river bet, the hand is over there, but you left potential money on the table, imo, that you never tried to grab.
please explain if i am way off here because i am inclined to miss the obvious at times.
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