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 Originally Posted by OngBonga
As played, I guess fold, villain has AK or KK imo, we're 50-50 but rake is gonna bite and villain probably has AK more often because his KK is losing to AA AK AT and A8 so if he has KK he's effectively turning his fucking boat into a bluff, there's so many more Ax boat combos that he loses to, so shoving seems crazy into a pot of this size with KK, especially against one of the few people here who can fold 88 to this river shove.
Point 1. $9.15+$20.65 in the pot $20.65 to call. If rake means 50:50 pot odds are not enough to call I'm never playing online again.
Point 2. How does villain know hero can fold 88 to a river shove?
Point 3. For this to be turning KK into a bluff, we must actually think our opponents fold trip A's, TT, 88 like all the time and might lay down AT, A8. If we think they call some of those hands it's a vb.
Take it from the flop and imagine you have KK. You now want the money in but don't want to chase hero away. When hero bets the river, are you really thinking about AK and AT or do you still go with the plan of hoping his river bet means he has an A and shove?
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