Wow the original thread was an amazing thread to read through. Funny thing is it took me reading through 3/4 of the thread before my very dim lightbulb lite up. As I write this I'm thinking this may have been one of the best learning moments for me. I know I have posted very similiar hands in IRC and received very similiar feedback but for some reason it just did not sink in.
Thank you Robb for bringing it back to life and also thanks to Gabe and all who posted in this thread, even those who did not get it cuz they still helped me get it!

Robb I originally posted this before reading through your thread cuz I was just excited about my AhHa moment. I am going to read through your thread now and see what I can come up with. Dude you do a great job provoking thought and I really appreciate it!