free aa tip

***** Hand History for Game 3049170563 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 17, 06:24:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 65685 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mwe58 ( $8.95 )
Seat 4: domjo2vegas ( $50.30 )
Seat 5: tarkes ( $65.71 )
Seat 6: redkiller111 ( $79.65 )
Seat 8: AJOrange ( $89.40 )
Seat 9: iWantBobaTea ( $50 )
Seat 10: Wahoo2006 ( $50.70 )
Seat 7: Im_psychic ( $43.65 )
Seat 3: edcdc ( $44.65 )
Seat 2: KALIL98 ( $12.20 )
KALIL98 posts small blind [$0.25].
edcdc posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ 7h 7s ]
domjo2vegas calls [$0.50].
tarkes folds.
redkiller111 raises [$2].
Im_psychic folds.
AJOrange raises [$5].
iWantBobaTea folds.
Wahoo2006 calls [$5].
mwe58 folds.
KALIL98 folds.
edcdc folds.
domjo2vegas folds.
redkiller111 calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, Jh, 8s ]
redkiller111 checks.
AJOrange bets [$25].
Wahoo2006 folds.
redkiller111 folds.
AJOrange does not show cards.
AJOrange wins $40.45

AJOrange is super tight, rocky as they come. He reraised preflop, his hand was absolutely broadcast, he has aa/kk. Playing tight is a good way to learn, but look at what he did on the flop. The pot is 15, he bet 25. he is now pot committed. that is absolutely the most retarded thing you can do. He is doing everything he can to win the least and lose the most. no draw would ever call, no tptk, no nothing. 2 pair or better and that is all. Just because high pockets can get tricky when people are drawing, doesn't mean this is the answer. I just felt like mentioning this because I see a fair amount of the taggy people do stupid stuff like this, and it just isn't smart. if you want to push it do it preflop, not on the flop.

Originally Posted by Greedo017

He is doing everything he can to win the least and gain the most.

??

haha, oops, win the least and lose the most

Originally Posted by Greedo017

that is absolutely the most retarded thing you can do.

What's the least retarded?

Originally Posted by salt3d

Originally Posted by Greedo017

that is absolutely the most retarded thing you can do.

What's the least retarded?

bet 3/4 of the pot?

i might give a better answer later.

the right thing is to bet it like normal, bet like 10 bucks (or 2/3 or 3/4 or so). it allows worse hands to call you and gives better hands a chance to tip you off. It isn't that you will never get destacked in this situation, situations like this with big flop pots and big hands can be tough, but you have to make the best of it.

Originally Posted by vqc

Originally Posted by salt3d

Originally Posted by Greedo017

that is absolutely the most retarded thing you can do.

What's the least retarded?

bet 3/4 of the pot?

Ok, so we be 3/4 of the pot to give the wrong odds to those on a draw, but what about the guy who flopped a straight? Do we fold to his raise, or if he smooth calls us, do we bet the turn if it looks to have not helped anyone? Or do we assume Q9 folded pre-flop?

And another thing, do we have any real outs with AA on that board? If we make a set we're up against a straight (and flush if it happens to be As). Do we consider that any card that doesn't make another hand has kept us in front, and keep betting?

Originally Posted by salt3d

Ok, so we be 3/4 of the pot to give the wrong odds to those on a draw, but what about the guy who flopped a straight? Do we fold to his raise, or if he smooth calls us, do we bet the turn if it looks to have not helped anyone? Or do we assume Q9 folded pre-flop?

Well, we're worried about more than the straight, i'm worried about a set first, straight and 2 pair might happen but would be more rare than the set. it gets complicated fast, but if we get raised on the flop, just do your best to see a cheap showdown if out of position. if in position, i'd call the raise, and lead out the turn, and see what they do, folding to another raise a lot of the time.

and generally i wouldn't think much about my outs in a spot like this, i'm worried about whether i'm ahead right now, and i'm going to keep betting until i'm raised, its substantial enough that I don't think i'm ahead, and i don't really see what hand they could be doing this with that i'm beating.

if Q9 calls a reraise preflop then we pay it. Every time for the fishy idiot who plays it in this pot. If 99 pushes then we call, he has 10 outs?(straight and set) Im still calling that. Anyone with a gutshot and a made pair is also getting called. The play is both good and bad. The pot is big enough to win so i can understand push, but its also a dumb idea for winning the most cash and afterall we're in the game of making the most of our good hands.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

if Q9 calls a reraise preflop then we pay it. Every time for the fishy idiot who plays it in this pot. If 99 pushes then we call, he has 10 outs?(straight and set) Im still calling that. Anyone with a gutshot and a made pair is also getting called. The play is both good and bad. The pot is big enough to win so i can understand push, but its also a dumb idea for winning the most cash and afterall we're in the game of making the most of our good hands.

How exactly do you tell if it's 99/gutshot+made pair OR a set or 2pr doing the pushing?

you dont
you just fold and give them credit for knowing you shouldnt really make the call

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

you dont
you just fold and give them credit for knowing you shouldnt really make the call

But you said you call 99 or pair+gutshot pushing?

So could I say that the fundamental theme is that AA is the nuts PF, and my opponents have to pay to outdraw me from there?

Whether I'm good enough to know I've lost will determine how much I lose when my AA is beaten, but that's a different story all together. For example, bet on the original flop of Ts Jh 8s, but if the turn comes 9, check/fold? Small bet? 3/4 pot again?

Seat 10: Wahoo2006 ( $50.70 )
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ 7h 7s ]
Wahoo2006 calls [$5].

Easy fold preflop.
What do you do when the flop comes A7x?

KK won't pay you off, and AA has you destroyed.

I am fine calling a lot of raises with pocket pairs, but not for 1/10th of your stack.

You are also not closing the action. There is an early position preflop raiser left to act, who could very well reraise.

If raised on a 3/4 pot bet, it's a pretty easy call. Plenty of hands you're ahead of can make that raise. Combine the likelihood of an overpair/TPTK with the drawout possibilities versus 2pr (which are decent), a set or better (which are not decent) and you can definitely have a look at this turn.

Yes, a 9 on the turn sucks and you're done. I believe any Q has you drawing dead there.