Interesting! I realise 66 misses the flop 88% of the time, but then KQs misses, what, 65% of flops? I think these points made will be very significant at higher levels, and believe me I'm taking notice of what you guys say, but I would like to point out that at 2nl I had no problem extracting value from sets oop. 5nl is a little tougher, I'm break-even at the moment as I make adjustments. I'll think about this more tomorrow, I need sleep.