flush draws

i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot
I get a good flop...

I intended to C/R and did, luckily it was re-raised b4 me so i went all in...

did I play this right?
what if it was raised to me with 1 caller? do i 3bet 3.5x his raise or just over bet all in?

if i 3bet flop and he calls, doesnt that put me in a nsty situation on the turn if i miss?

***** Hand History for Game 6885111174 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue Mar 18 00:46:28 EDT 2008
Table Table 130241 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: piperone111 ( $40.63)
Seat 2: langaan ( $40.46)
Seat 3: POUA4Life ( $11.07)
Seat 4: Bce_mne ( $26.02)
Seat 5: trauma12 ( $23.60)
Seat 6: psmadsen ( $36.89)
piperone111 posts small blind (0.10)
langaan posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to langaan [ 9h, Ah ]
POUA4Life calls (0.25)
Bce_mne raises (1.25) to 1.25
trauma12 folds
piperone111 calls (1.15)
langaan calls (1)
POUA4Life calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 6h, 4h ]
piperone111 checks
langaan checks
POUA4Life bets (3)
Bce_mne raises (9) to 9
piperone111 folds
langaan raises (39.21) to 39.21
langaan is all-In.

Um.... I wouldn't play it that way for sure.

Originally Posted by trump

Um.... I wouldn't play it that way for sure.

how would you....

Originally Posted by langaan

i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot

don't do that. problem solved.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by langaan

i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot

don't do that. problem solved.

+1

Axs is a hand that I either limp behind other limpers to flush-hunt for cheap, or raise in LP to isolate & take the pot down with a c-bet if the remaining villains look like good candiates for that.

Originally Posted by d0zer

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by langaan

i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot

don't do that. problem solved.

+1

Axs is a hand that I either limp behind other limpers to flush-hunt for cheap, or raise in LP to isolate & take the pot down with a c-bet if the remaining villains look like good candiates for that.

ok,
2 questions...

do you play Axs in any raised pot? 4-way? 5-way?

also,
did i play this correctly after preflop?

Originally Posted by langaan

Originally Posted by d0zer

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by langaan

i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot

don't do that. problem solved.

+1

Axs is a hand that I either limp behind other limpers to flush-hunt for cheap, or raise in LP to isolate & take the pot down with a c-bet if the remaining villains look like good candiates for that.

ok,
2 questions...

do you play Axs in any raised pot? 4-way? 5-way?

also,
did i play this correctly after preflop?

there needs to be quite a few people in the pot already for me to call a pfr with Axs. and no, you didn't play it correctly post-flop. if you get called there you most likely only have 9-12 outs. the pfr looks like he has an overpair or maybe even a set. ppl don't fold overpairs or sets so you have no fold equity so there's no reason to shove. you should just fold.

According to RenTon's preflop guide he would only call a preflop raise like that with Axs if in late position and there are 4+ players in.

I wouldn't call pre-flop, and I would fold post-flop.

Some people play suited Aces like small pocket pairs PF... and it sounds like you're one of them. I believe getting a flush is about the same odds as flopping a set, but I wouldn't play them the same because you'll find yourself chasing a bit too often. I only play low-suited Aces from late position and I usually don't call raises with them. I'll typically play pocket pairs from any position but I will call raises if my opponent can pay me off if I flop my set.

Originally Posted by BLaCKDiAMoND

I believe getting a flush is about the same odds as flopping a set

Flopping a flush DRAW is about the same odds as flopping a set (slightly better).

The only time I call a PFR with Axs is when it's going to be a 4way+, and there's only one left to call the last raise (like you're in SB/BB and raiser was in EP with some callers in MP/LP).

The semi-bluff is an overused play at the lower limits because people often just won't fold (there are obviously times where it's still a good play). Here's it's bad because the initial raiser is following up his initial strength with even more strength, so it's likely that he's holding a big overpair which he's not very likely to lay down.

Another way to put it is how my coach put it to me...

A-rag is A-rag unless you hit on the flop... if you didn't you're playing A-high against made hands... what should you do?

Originally Posted by d0zer

Originally Posted by BLaCKDiAMoND

I believe getting a flush is about the same odds as flopping a set

Flopping a flush DRAW is about the same odds as flopping a set (slightly better).

This needs to be repeated. A DRAW. You only hit that draw 33% of the time. Calling with Axs hit's a flush by the river only about 5% of the time. Not to mention how often you don't get payed after getting 3 cards to a flush on board and try to get it in. You need huge odds to play Axs and your NOT in position. Playing draws OOP is -EV at any stake.

Agreed with a lot of the advice here. I rarely call any SC OOP 100bb deep in a raised pot much less Axs.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

Originally Posted by d0zer

Originally Posted by BLaCKDiAMoND

I believe getting a flush is about the same odds as flopping a set

Flopping a flush DRAW is about the same odds as flopping a set (slightly better).

This needs to be repeated. A DRAW. You only hit that draw 33% of the time. Calling with Axs hit's a flush by the river only about 5% of the time. Not to mention how often you don't get payed after getting 3 cards to a flush on board and try to get it in. You need huge odds to play Axs and your NOT in position. Playing draws OOP is -EV at any stake.

Ha! I failed to include that little useful piece of information in there. That's what y'all are for though, to pick up the damn slack!

I betcha straights are more profitable than flushes.

Originally Posted by trump

I betcha straights are more profitable than flushes.

I agree, but way more in micro limits.

fold pre.

bet flop as played, then only call a re-raise if 8 outs gives you pot odds
(8 outs cos sometimes you have 9 vs a set and other times less vs an overpair)