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Originally Posted by tugger

I should be more accurate... I think a lot of hands are profitable it late position at the micros.

This is fucking obvious, no?

Noone, and I REPEAT, NOONE, is telling you to play using a hand chart. Why do you assume this?

Because people keep going on about T6 being -ev. If we're only playing hands pre flop that are +ev, then we are playing hand chart poker.

I am telling you to access the situation, and from that determine if the hand is +EV or -EV. Not every situation is the same. I am stating that in this situation, with 2 limpers, it's probably -EV to isolate with hands like T6s, 73s, etc. This does not mean that it's -EV to open T6s when folded to on the button with tight blinds. Whereas, it might be -EV to open T6s when folded to on the BU with solid regs in the blinds?

These situations are different, and your failure to see that, shows your lack of knowledge. This is why we aren't saying to play with a damn hand chart. We are telling you to assess the situation.

You guys seem to be mashing ranges into stove and doing what it says, instead of playing each hand as it comes to you. It's a different style of play, it's a clash, I guess. Perhaps stove mashing is a better way to play, in fact I know it is.

Who the hell would do this? I've never used pokerstove while I play, and don't know who would. But to deny it's use in post-play analysis, and disregard such basic poker concepts as equity and ranges, is beyond retarded.

But it's not how I want to play poker. It's destroying something I love, it's like shitting on my weed. I don't mind cutting out what loses me money, but I'm not about to stop doing what's winning me money. I doubt you even believe I'm winning money playing this loose in late position, but I am. Blame the fish for not folding when they should.

Oh my god!!! Are you seriously sitting here boosting about winning money at 2nl? Saying that we cannot believe it? You've done this numerous times already. It's annoying, and entirely laughable. Of course you can play a wide range of hands against droolers. I am simply telling you that there is a line that is drawn between what is a +EV play, and what is a -EV play, and that you seem to be intentionally crossing that line into -EV play.

This term ev seems misleading. From where I'm sitting, it seems flawed. It assumes too much. It tells us that, if we stacked off, we'd either win long term or lose long term based on probability.

Are you serious? Probability tells us just that. If we need to win 20% of the time to make a call breakeven, and we make the call when we are only going to win 10% of the time, then we ARE GOING to lose money in the longrun. Our call would be -EV.

It assumes AK is equally as easy to fold as 23 when it's losing. It assumes all players are equal.

The hand doesn't really matter. It's your equity against villain's range. Once again, if you need 20% to make a call BE, and against villain's range of hands you have only 10% equity with AK, then you should fold. If against that range you only have 10% equity with 32, then you should fold. In both fucking cases, a fold is correct, regardless of which hand you have, and if you are aware of your correct equity against villain's range, then you should fold them both just as quickly.

I'm sorry, I just don't really feel like addressing anything else, whether I agree with it or disagree.

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10-08-2009 09:48 PM #33
Stacks View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 4,015 Location Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.	Originally Posted by tugger I should be more accurate... I think a lot of hands are profitable it late position at the micros. This is fucking obvious, no? Noone, and I REPEAT, NOONE, is telling you to play using a hand chart. Why do you assume this? Because people keep going on about T6 being -ev. If we're only playing hands pre flop that are +ev, then we are playing hand chart poker. I am telling you to access the situation, and from that determine if the hand is +EV or -EV. Not every situation is the same. I am stating that in this situation, with 2 limpers, it's probably -EV to isolate with hands like T6s, 73s, etc. This does not mean that it's -EV to open T6s when folded to on the button with tight blinds. Whereas, it might be -EV to open T6s when folded to on the BU with solid regs in the blinds? These situations are different, and your failure to see that, shows your lack of knowledge. This is why we aren't saying to play with a damn hand chart. We are telling you to assess the situation. You guys seem to be mashing ranges into stove and doing what it says, instead of playing each hand as it comes to you. It's a different style of play, it's a clash, I guess. Perhaps stove mashing is a better way to play, in fact I know it is. Who the hell would do this? I've never used pokerstove while I play, and don't know who would. But to deny it's use in post-play analysis, and disregard such basic poker concepts as equity and ranges, is beyond retarded. But it's not how I want to play poker. It's destroying something I love, it's like shitting on my weed. I don't mind cutting out what loses me money, but I'm not about to stop doing what's winning me money. I doubt you even believe I'm winning money playing this loose in late position, but I am. Blame the fish for not folding when they should. Oh my god!!! Are you seriously sitting here boosting about winning money at 2nl? Saying that we cannot believe it? You've done this numerous times already. It's annoying, and entirely laughable. Of course you can play a wide range of hands against droolers. I am simply telling you that there is a line that is drawn between what is a +EV play, and what is a -EV play, and that you seem to be intentionally crossing that line into -EV play. This term ev seems misleading. From where I'm sitting, it seems flawed. It assumes too much. It tells us that, if we stacked off, we'd either win long term or lose long term based on probability. Are you serious? Probability tells us just that. If we need to win 20% of the time to make a call breakeven, and we make the call when we are only going to win 10% of the time, then we ARE GOING to lose money in the longrun. Our call would be -EV. It assumes AK is equally as easy to fold as 23 when it's losing. It assumes all players are equal. The hand doesn't really matter. It's your equity against villain's range. Once again, if you need 20% to make a call BE, and against villain's range of hands you have only 10% equity with AK, then you should fold. If against that range you only have 10% equity with 32, then you should fold. In both fucking cases, a fold is correct, regardless of which hand you have, and if you are aware of your correct equity against villain's range, then you should fold them both just as quickly. I'm sorry, I just don't really feel like addressing anything else, whether I agree with it or disagree.