Floating

"Floating does not mean "calling with little equity and pray, b/c Im too lazy to actually think about ranges and correct adjustements" it´s more like "Im figuring his range to be weak here, hence I can overrep my junky hand by calling and take it away from him on later streets and since that alone might not be enough I like to take hands like overs or gutters with at least some equity""

Yes. This is exactly what I thought floating was. This is exactly why I called the turn bet. This is exactly what I was thinking. It wasn't laziness, it was calculated.

"I'm pretty sure that everyone here thinks that plays like this is like burning money in the long run."

This might be true. I don't know if he was folding to my raise on the river if it's a spade other than the 8. That's the key, not my gutshot odds. It's obviously not profitable in the long run to chase 3 outs at a bad price, but there's nine other spades that don't help me but do scare him, and I am raising these nine spades, so the question is, will he fold enough times when I represent the flush to make the turn call profitable? I would imagine so with QQ, but I'm not sure about Ax.

"Floating means you're calling a bet, with a plan to take it down on a later street. Your examples here don't illustrate floating."

So if my turn call isn't floating, what is it? Please remember I called with the intention of raising a different spade to the 8, not to hit the 8. The river was simply a bonus, and I didn't need to take the pot down with a raise. If the river is not a spade or 8, then I probably give up on it, I would imagine raising any river is not profitable.

"Also, just a fwiw, you didn't make enough on the river to justify your turn call, so the turn call was -EV."

We don't know this, because we don't know if he was folding to a raise to a different spade.

Ok, moving on to the stuff I want to thank people for...

"The whole TAGG/LAGG descriptions of players is bullshit imo."

I actually agree. For a start, while I might try to play LAG, sometimes I don't, sometimes I'm TAG instead. I don't think any players always play the same way, it's just players play a certain way when on auto-pilot. And a TAG might decide to play T6s too, he might just be getting bored with folding all his hands in position. So you're right, a player's image tells you little about his cards and his bets in any given hand.

"LOL again @ image being everything."

Maybe you're right with this paragraph. My image has certainly helped me win some big pots, that's for sure. But that's usually after 2 hours at a table, not based on notes anyone has. You're right, the pool is huge, I make notes on a fair few players, and rarely see them crop up again. And the players I'm targetting are not the regs who know how to play against people like me, I want fish. So maybe trying to give a loose image is a waste of time. But it is fun, and while I'm winning money, I don't mind winning a little less than I might for entertainment purposes. If I start losing, then it's different.

"And another note, don't play anything with a bigger gap than 2 (unless it's a button open). You can never flop a strong draw (no OESD), and your gutter isn't going to be the gutter to the nuts. This means you're playing a hand that you're trying to play with good implied odds that has huge reverse implied odds, which is sooooo counter-intuitive. "

I think you're very right here. I'll probably take this on board, adjust my hand selection accordingly.

But I'm still not playing KT. Ha.

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10-05-2009 12:24 PM #11
tugger View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries Join Date Jul 2009 Posts 216 Location Worcestershire, England	"Floating does not mean "calling with little equity and pray, b/c Im too lazy to actually think about ranges and correct adjustements" it´s more like "Im figuring his range to be weak here, hence I can overrep my junky hand by calling and take it away from him on later streets and since that alone might not be enough I like to take hands like overs or gutters with at least some equity"" Yes. This is exactly what I thought floating was. This is exactly why I called the turn bet. This is exactly what I was thinking. It wasn't laziness, it was calculated. "I'm pretty sure that everyone here thinks that plays like this is like burning money in the long run." This might be true. I don't know if he was folding to my raise on the river if it's a spade other than the 8. That's the key, not my gutshot odds. It's obviously not profitable in the long run to chase 3 outs at a bad price, but there's nine other spades that don't help me but do scare him, and I am raising these nine spades, so the question is, will he fold enough times when I represent the flush to make the turn call profitable? I would imagine so with QQ, but I'm not sure about Ax. "Floating means you're calling a bet, with a plan to take it down on a later street. Your examples here don't illustrate floating." So if my turn call isn't floating, what is it? Please remember I called with the intention of raising a different spade to the 8, not to hit the 8. The river was simply a bonus, and I didn't need to take the pot down with a raise. If the river is not a spade or 8, then I probably give up on it, I would imagine raising any river is not profitable. "Also, just a fwiw, you didn't make enough on the river to justify your turn call, so the turn call was -EV." We don't know this, because we don't know if he was folding to a raise to a different spade. Ok, moving on to the stuff I want to thank people for... "The whole TAGG/LAGG descriptions of players is bullshit imo." I actually agree. For a start, while I might try to play LAG, sometimes I don't, sometimes I'm TAG instead. I don't think any players always play the same way, it's just players play a certain way when on auto-pilot. And a TAG might decide to play T6s too, he might just be getting bored with folding all his hands in position. So you're right, a player's image tells you little about his cards and his bets in any given hand. "LOL again @ image being everything." Maybe you're right with this paragraph. My image has certainly helped me win some big pots, that's for sure. But that's usually after 2 hours at a table, not based on notes anyone has. You're right, the pool is huge, I make notes on a fair few players, and rarely see them crop up again. And the players I'm targetting are not the regs who know how to play against people like me, I want fish. So maybe trying to give a loose image is a waste of time. But it is fun, and while I'm winning money, I don't mind winning a little less than I might for entertainment purposes. If I start losing, then it's different. "And another note, don't play anything with a bigger gap than 2 (unless it's a button open). You can never flop a strong draw (no OESD), and your gutter isn't going to be the gutter to the nuts. This means you're playing a hand that you're trying to play with good implied odds that has huge reverse implied odds, which is sooooo counter-intuitive. " I think you're very right here. I'll probably take this on board, adjust my hand selection accordingly. But I'm still not playing KT. Ha.